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Mr. WHITE. Mr. Wu, do you know what opium poppies look like?

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. Yes. A poppy plant is approximately 1 meter to 1.2 meters high, and it has either pink or yellow or white flowers, very pretty.

Mr. WHITE. During the time you were in China, did you have the opportunity to observe opium poppies growing, and if so, where?

Mr. Wu SHU-JEN. Yes. I saw it in a farm of the Yingteh United Trade Co., which is the name used by the Yingteh labor camp I mentioned some time before.

Also, I observed large acreages of poppies planted at several people's commune farms. One is in a farm called—a commune called Huatung Commune. One is called Huashan Commune. One is called Ling Litong Commune. One is called Shan Shihshui Commune. One is called Ta Chen. All those are in Canton Province.

The largest acreage of poppies I observed was in the Yingteh labor camp.

Mr. WHITE. Were you able to make any estimate of the size of these fields?

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. The largest was 8,000 mou,19 which is a unit of measure used in China.

Mr. WHITE. We will have to find conversion for that. Mr. Wu SHU-JEN. On the places apparently smaller, no more than 200 or 300 mou at each place.

Mr. WHITE. Would you tell the committee how you happened to be at these places to observe these fields, briefly?

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. Because all those communes and farms were using machines produced by our tractor factory. Like the Yingteh farm alone, they used at least 700 tractors manufactured by our factory. Our tractor was designed to be used in paddy fields, but at that place, there were slopes, and the tractors frequently malfunctioned, and I was sent there by my factory to inspect the situation and try to repair those malfunctioning tractors.

I stayed at Yingteh farm for more than 2 months, during which time I had the opportunity to observe the poppies.

Mr. WHITE. Back again to the 09 Laboratory. Over how long a period did you have that laboratory under observation?

Mr. Wu SHU-JEN. About 2 years and 3 months.

Mr. WHITE. Was the shipment made approximately every 2 months from the factory, from the laboratory?

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. That is correct. Mr. WHITE. What was the approximate size of the gunboat upon which this material was loaded?

Mr. Wu SHU-JEN. Approximately 25 meters in length, and I estimate that it cannot be heavier than 100 tons.

Mr. WHITE. Was the design and shape of this gunboat or the gunboats that were used of such size that they could be called coastal vessels?

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. Much smaller than the coastal vessels I observed here.

Mr. WHITE. Would one of these vessels be capable of going to Hong Kong or to Bangkok ?

19 Approximately 1,317 acres. One “mou" is the equivalent of .1647 acres.

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. I do not know about Bangkok, but I know it is capable of sailing to Hong Kong or even to North Vietnamese ports.

Mr. WHITE. Mr. Wu, on behalf of the entire committee and the staff, I want to thank you for your attendance here and for your very competent testimony, and I want to thank you, Mr. Liu, again, for your very capable and competent translation.

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. Thank you.

Mr. White. We welcome you back any time you see fit to come to the United States.

Mr. WU SHU-JEN. Thank you. [Whereupon, at 1:15 p.m., Tuesday, July 10, 1973, the hearing was adjourned.]

APPENDIX

EXHIBIT No.1

[Wu Shu-jen testimony 7/10/73]
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