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Dignon, Robert, Northern Products Corp., 705 Terminal Sales

Building, Seattle, Wash

Heaton, H. G., Wrangell Cold Storage Co., Inc., Juneau, Alaska__
Scott, Louis G., Tokeen Cold Storage Co., Inc., Juneau, Alaska__
Senate Joint Memorial No. 22, Alaska State Legislature...

Anchorage, Alaska, field hearings (October 24 and 26, 1959).

Statement of—

Anderson, Robert H., general manager, Alaska Railroad, Anchor-

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liams, Howard, Post Office Box 252, traffic manager of Weaver
Bros., Inc., and Inland Riverways, Inc., Anchorage, Alaska...
Kinnaird, John M., vice president, Consolidated Freightways,
Inc., Menlo Park, Calif.

Melius, Fred N., Jr., vice president and assistant general counsel,
U.S. Freight Co., Anchorage, Alaska_

McCahill, Tom H., Esq., McCahill Freight & Warehousing Co.,
Inc., 501 Fireweed Lande, Anchorage, Alaska--

McDonald, Raymond, agent, Alaska Railroad at Curry, Curry,

Alaska

O'Neil, Dennis E., representing Brotherhood of Locomotive

Firemen and Enginemen, 1416 G Street, Anchorage, Alaska..

Petersen, Raymond I., president, Northern Consolidated Airlines,

Anchorage, Alaska..

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General Accounting Office Building, Washington, D.C.

Strandberg, Harold, representative, Port Commission of Anchor-
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Letters, telegrams, resolutions, etc.:

Ernst, Roger, Assistant Secretary of the Interior, U.S. Depart-

ment of the Interior, Washington, D.C..

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Geraghty, Clyde, terminal manager of Mitchell Truck & Tractor
Service, 210 Bonnefield, Fairbanks, Alaska.......

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Greinmann, Paul, Jr., bus company operator, Box 1048, Fair-
banks, Alaska..

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Kunz, Albert J., general traffic manager, Alaska Railroad,
Anchorage, Alaska..

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Pilgrim, Earl, Stampede Antimony Mine, Box No. 1896, Fair-
banks, Alaska.......

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Fong, Hon. Hiram L., a U.S. Senator from the State of Hawaii,
Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C.-

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Ho, Tim, superintendent of public works, Hawaii State Highway
Department, Honolulu, Hawaii___

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ALASKAN AND HAWAIIAN TRANSPORTATION

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1959

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE,
Council Chambers, Ketchikan, Alaska.

Senator BARTLETT. The meeting will come to order.

This is the first Alaska meeting, October 20, 1959, of the Senate Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee, meeting here in Ketchikan, on various bills, having to do with Alaska, specifically, several transportation bills. However, the committee will be glad to hear witnesses who do not desire to testify specifically on the measures before us, but who, instead, want to talk on other, and perhaps general problems.

My name is E. L. "Bob" Bartlett, a member of the Senate committee; and at my immediate right is Frank L. Barton, transportation counsel for the committee; and at his right, is Harold I. Baynton, chief counsel for the Senate committee. The committee is pleased to have with it, also, traveling through Alaska, we hope, Mr. Laurence Walrath, a member of the Interstate Commerce Commission, and Mr. Whitehouse, of his staff; also Mr. William Thompson, of the Association of American Railroads; and we are very pleased that Commissioner Romick, head of the State department of commerce, is with us; and we expect to be joined by others, as we proceed up the coast. Our hearings will terminate in Fairbanks, some days from now.

It is a particular pleasure for me to be here again, in Ketchikan, and see so many of my old friends.

There are before us, as I said, a number of bills, pertaining mainly to transportation, which the people of Alaska have an interest; and I might add, that this interest concerning these transportattion bills extends likewise to Hawaii, and I am told, Puerto Rico, and perhaps other sections of the country.

Notices were issued several weeks ago that hearings were to be held, and the people of Ketchikan were invited to appear, and urged to express themselves on these bills.

Before we hear the first witness, who will be none other than the mayor of Ketchikan, Mr. Richard Hardcastle, I shall give a brief description of each of the bills on which the hearings are being held:

1. S. 1507, to make the Interstate Commerce Act applicable to transportation by water between Alaska ports and other ports in the United States.

2. S. 1508, to provide for economic regulation of the Alaska Railroad under the Interstate Commerce Act.

3. S. 2451, H.R. 8521, and H.R. 8564, companion bills, to establish a joint board for through routes and joint rates and to make manda

NOTE. Professional staff member assigned to these hearings Frank L. Barton.

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tory through routes and joint rates by carriers engaged in transportation of property between Alaska or Hawaii, and other States.

4. S. 2452, H.R. 8520, and H.R. 8565, companion bills, to establish a joint board and to permit the filing of through routes and joint rates for carriers engaged in transportation of property between Alaska or Hawaii and the other States.

5. S. 2514, to establish the Alaska Railroad as a Government corporation.

6. H.R. 6244, to provide grandfather rights for motor carriers and freight forwarders operating within Alaska and between Alaska and other States and for other water carriers operating within Alaska; to provide for Interstate Commerce Commission regulation of the Alaska Railroad; and to make the Interstate Commerce Act applicable to for-hire water carriers operating between ports of Alaska and ports of other States.

I will insert copies of the above-mentioned bills into the record at this point.

[S. 1507, 86th Cong., 1st sess.]

A BILL To make the Interstate Commerce Act, as amended, applicable to transportation by water between ports in the State of Alaska and other ports in the United States, and for other purposes

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That (a) the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended; the Intercoastal Shipping Act, 1933, as amended; and section 27(b) of the Act of July 7, 1958 (72 Stat. 339), providing for the admission of Alaska into the Union, are hereby repealed insofar as they are inconsistent with any provision of the Interstate Commerce Act, as amended, and insofar as they provide for the regulation of the transportation of persons or property by water between places in Alaska and places in the other States of the United States or the District of Columbia, or between places in Alaska. This provision shall not, however, be construed to repeal section 205 of the Merchant Marine Act, 1936 (46 U.S.C. 1115), as amended, or any provision of law providing penalties for violations of such section 205; the third sentence of section 2 of the Intercoastal Shipping Act, 1933, as amended (46 U.S.C. 844) as extended by section 5 of such Act, or any provision of law providing penalties for violations of section 2; the provisions of the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended, insofar as such Act provides for the regulation of persons included within the term "other persons subject to this Act", as defined in such Act, but this reservation shall not include persons who do not operate vessels but who have been held to be water common carriers under that Act or the Shipping Act, 1933, regardless as to whether such persons are water common carriers subject to part III of the Interstate Commerce Act or freight forwarders under part IV of that Act; sections 27 and 28 of the Merchant Marine Act, 1920 (46 U.S.C. 883, 884); the provisions of section 15 of the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended (46 U.S.C. 814), so as to prevent any water carrier subject to the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act from entering into any agreement under the provisions of such section 15 with respect to transportation not subject to the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act in which such carrier may be engaged; any law of navigation, the admiralty jurisdiction of the courts of the United States, liabilities of vessels and their owners for loss or damage, or laws respecting seamen, or any other maritime law, regulation, or custom not in conflict with the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act.

(b) Except to the extent that they are required by the Federal Maritime Board in connection with its continued jurisdiction, all files, reports, records, tariff schedules, contracts, agreements, and other documents in the possession of the Board relating to the regulation of transportation by water between places in Alaska and other places in the United States and between places in Alaska, and carriers engaged in such transportation, shall be transferred to the Interstate Commerce Commission. To the extent that such records and documents are re

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