Mr. BARTON. Mr. Chairman, I would suggest that Mr. Buckley is in the audience, and perhaps he would attempt to ascertain for us why this lease or agreement was canceled. Is Mr. Buckley here? Senator BARTLETT. Mr. Buckley. If you please, would you be good enough to come forward? Mr. Barton has a request to make of you, Mr. Buckley. Mr. BARTON. Mr. Rasor holds contract No. 14-04-003-1442, with the Department of Interior, which has been canceled, although the time has been extended a couple of times. Could you ascertain for us, sir, why this contract was canceled? Why this lease agreement was canceled? This is Mr. Rasor-John Rasor, who holds the con tract. Mr. BUCKLEY. OK. I'll be talking to Mr. Anderson in about an hour. I just got through asking-getting this other information that you asked for. Senator BARTLETT. He'll be expecting further calls from you, I'm sure. Mr. BUCKLEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BARTON. You will undertake to find out the cause of the cancellation, then. Thank you, sir. That's all the questions I have, Mr. Chairman. Senator BARTLETT. Mr. Rasor, before this had you ever had any difficulties, any real trouble with the Alaska Railroad? Mr. RASOR. No, sir. Senator BARTLETT. Your relations were good, so far as you knew? Mr. RASOR. Always got along good with them, never saw any of them, never had trouble; I had an agreement there and I worked with and under the supervision of them, of the officials over there, with the roadmaster, Mr. Alder, with the new one—I've never seen him. I don't even know who he is. Senator BARTLETT. Had the Alaska Railroad ever represented that you were not using the land in the manner that they desired you to? Mr. RASOR. No, sir. Senator BARTLETT. And how large an area is this? Mr. RASOR. Oh, I imagine it's about 10 acres. Mr. RASOR. Thank you, Senator. (There was received on October 30, 1959, relative to Mr. Buckley's request to Mr. Anderson, the following telegram from the Alaska Railroad, which is inserted at this point in the record:) ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, October 30, 1959. Senator BARTLETT, With regard to Mr. John Rasor's statement to the effect that the Alaska Railroad canceled his garbage dump permit because he shipped via other means. Our traffic department was unaware of any freight movement initiated by Mr. Rasor. On September 3, 1957, Mr. Rasor was granted a 3-year use permit to dump garbage in an old barrow pit in the railroad yards. A condition of this permit required Mr. Rasor to provide sufficient and adequate liability insurance. To date, he has not furnished evidence of this. On April 21, 1959, Mr. Rasor was advised of the cluttered appearance of his facility. On August 26, 1959, Mr. Rasor's permit was canceled and by letter of September 29, 1959, he was advised that he would have until June 1, 1960, to remove his facility from the area. Respectfully, R. H. ANDERSON, General Manager. Senator BARTLETT. I think we had better start at 9 o'clock in the morning. We will recess now until 9 a.m. tomorrow, when we will hear testimony on S. 1899, a bill to authorize the establishment of the Arctic Wildlife Range, Alaska, and for other purposes. (Whereupon, at the hour of 5:30 p.m., on Friday, October 30, 1959, the hearing in the above-entitled matter conducted at Fairbanks, Alaska, was recessed to reconvene on the morning of Saturday, October 31, 1959, at the hour of 9 a.m.) 1 1 The hearings on the Arctic Wildlife Range were printed separately under the title of "Arctic Wildlife Range Alaska," and consists of pts. 1 and 2. ALASKAN AND HAWAIIAN TRANSPORTATION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 1959 U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE, Honolulu, Hawaii. The committee met at 10 a.m., Senator E. L. Bartlett presiding. Senator BARTLETT. The committee will be in order. We of the committee from the mainland wish to say to the people of Hawaii: Aloha. We are very glad to be in the 50th State resuming hearings on certain transportation matters affecting the new State, which first came before the Senate Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce in Washington. Hearings were then held in Alaska, and now they will conclude, insofar as the field is concerned, at this time here in Honolulu. Senator Warren G. Magnuson, chairman of the Senate Committee on Interstate and Foreign Committee, of which I am a member, asked that I hold the hearings in Alaska, and subsequently he made the request that I come to Hawaii to hold hearings on the two bills which will be under consideration because they apply with equal force and effect, if enacted into law, to Hawaii, as well as to Alaska. Before we begin the hearings I should like to take this opportunity to thank the people of Hawaii for their kind and generous hospitality displayed to all of us during our stay here. Likewise, I want to extend to the people of Hawaii at this time congratulations on their becoming citizens of the 50th State. The hearings that are to commence now were especially requested by Senators Long and Fong, and Congressman Inouye, and personally I want to thank George Shiroma, of Senator Long's staff, for making so many of the preliminary arrangements. As chairman of the subcommittee meeting here, I am particularly glad that Senator Long is able to attend, and naturally I shall invite him to participate in the deliberations as we proceed. The committee is fortunate in having in Honolulu now Mr. Irving Hoff, who is administrative assistant to Chairman Magnuson, and who is particularly well informed on transportation matters. Mr. Hoff is over here to my far left. And to my immediate left is Mr. Frank Barton, transportation counsel for the Senate committee. Before we proceed further I should like to give a brief description of the bills that are being heard at this time. S. 2451, H.R. 8521, and H.R. 8564 are all companion bills, and they are intended to establish a joint board for regulation of through routes and joint rates, to be composed of three members, one member each to be selected by the chairman of the Interstate Commerce Commission, the Federal Maritime Board, and the Civil Aeronautics Board, and to make mandatory through routes and joint rates by carriers engaged in the transportation of property between the State of Alaska or the State of Hawaii and the other States. S. 2452, H.R. 8520, and H.R. 8565, companion bill, to establish a joint board composed of three members from the same governmental agencies I named before, and to permit, instead of making mandatory, the filing of through routes and joint rates for carriers serving Alaska, Hawaii, and other States. However, it is not every day that the Senate Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce has the privilege of holding hearings in Hawaii. Therefore, it is not my intention to limit witnesses in their statements to these particular bills which have just been numbered and described. If there are other matters concerning Federal regulations and Hawaii transportation on which witnesses wish to testify, the committee will be glad to hear such testimony. Now, before proceeding, the chairman wants to express pleasure at the fact that Mr. Wadsworth Yee is here representing Senator Fong and simultaneously to express regret that Senator Fong himself could not attend. This, of course, he cannot do, because he is still in the Far East, and I should like to call upon Senator Long to make whatever statement he might desire at this time. It is mighty good, Oren, to be able to hold an official hearing for the first time, I think, that any committee has done so from the Congress in the 50th State. Senator LONG. As the junior Senator of the 50th State, it is a great privilege to me, Bob, to extend greetings and aloha to the senior Senator from the 49th State. We here in Hawaii are more vitally interested in these bills that are to be discussed than any other political division of the Nation, with the possible exception of your own State of Alaska, and I am certain that neither of the two Štates is asking for any special consideration that would in any way do violence to equity. We would like to have our peculiar geographical position recognized; that is, peculiar in relation to shipping, and it is in the interest of that idea that we are glad to have you here and to cooperate with you and members of your staff. Thank you. Senator BARTLETT. Thank you, Senator Long. For his own part, the chairman would like to say that he is delighted to have under consideration bills upon which there is at least a fair amount of unanimity. He says this with all the more feeling after conducting hearings on a bill in Alaska to create an Arctic Wildlife Range, upon which there was no unanimity whatsoever, and more recently in Oregon and Idaho, upon legislation concerning anadromous fish--the first time the chairman has pronounced that word with even reasonable success and upon that legislation there was no agreement. The main purpose of the bills under discussion now, so far as I as a resident of Alaska am concerned, is if enacted into law they will make possible a situation which will result in lower rates for the residents of Alaska and of Hawaii, through the filing of joint rates by through routes. All of us will recall that both the Hawaii Statehood Act and the Alaska Statehood Act confirmed in precise language the continued jurisdiction over shipping by the Federal Maritime Board, and subse quently the Interstate Commerce Commission asked for a change in this so as to permit that agency of the Government to exercise maritime jurisdiction as it does in the other States. The bills which are being heard at this time represent a modification of the suggestion originating with the ICC. (Discussion off the record.) Senator BARTLETT. The committee is delighted to hear first from the attorney general of Hawaii, Mr. Kashiwa. STATEMENT OF SHIRO KASHIWA, ATTORNEY GENERAL, STATE OF HAWAII Mr. KASHIWA. We would like to state our position after hearing some of the witnesses, Mr. Chairman. I think there are some trucking companies, large and small, who may be interested in this matter, and we have had very short notice of the hearing, and we would like, perhaps sometime in the afternoon of Wednesday, to present a written statement. Senator BARTLETT. As you desire, but we did want to give you the opportunity to testify first, if you care to. Mr. KASHIWA. Thank you, sir. Senator BARTLETT. Mr. Loo, Representative Loo. I shall ask each witness, upon assuming the witness chair, to identify himself by name and then to give his mailing address, so he may be sure to receive a copy of the hearings with a minimum of delay after they have been printed, because I assume each witness will want a copy or two. I am glad to have you here, sir. STATEMENT OF FRANK W. C. LOO, STATE REPRESENTATIVE, STATE OF HAWAII Mr. Loo. I am Frank W. C. Loo, State representative, and my address is 90 North King Street. I first would like to welcome this committee to our chambers, having this hearing in this chamber which we just vacated recently. I am here to talk on a matter that involves the bills before this committee as well as the Shipping Act of 1916, as amended, and Intercoastal Shipping Act of 1933, as amended. It involves an injustice that has been perpetrated on the people of Hawaii, and also I might add that could possibly happen to the people of Alaska, as well as other States that depend on shipping. Recently we had a situation whereby the Matson Shipping Co., as well as other shipping companies, asked for a freight rate increase of 1212 percent. They filed the application on August 12, 1959, to go into effect on September 14, 1959. According to the Shipping Act of 1916, as amended, the Intercoastal Shipping Act of 1933, as well as these bills before the committee, it is allowed that, without any hearing, any public hearing, the particular scheduled freight rate increases could be put into effect. Now, certainly these bills, as well as-on paper anyway it looks rather good-that there is a savings clause, even though these particular schedules go into effect, that after the hearing, if the particular committee-in this case the Joint |