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Juneau, Alaska, field hearings (October 22, 1959) --

89

Statement of -

Clark, Henry W., vice president, Alaska Steamship Co., 1026 17th

Street NW., Washington, D.C.

115

Doogan, Frank M., Juneau Chamber of Commerce, Post Office

Box 1121, Juneau, Alaska.--.

91

Engstrom, Hon. Elton E., State senator for Alaska, Box 723,

Juneau, Alaska

Erwin, Marshall, Box 662, Juneau, Alaska.

102

Hoage, Irving, executive vice president, Ketchikan Merchants

Cooperative Association, Inc., 11012 27th Avenue NE., Seattle,

Wash

106

Ireland, Donald W., Esq., 1111 Northern Life Tower, Seattle,

Wash

110

Toner, Felix J., Southeastern Conference, Box 2534, Juneau,

Alaska.

93

Letters, telegrams, resolutions, etc.:

Coffin, Capt. E. A., Jr., U.S. Coast Guard, captain, Port of

Seattle, Seattle, Wash.

106

Dignon, Robert, Northern Products Corp., 705 Terminal Sales

Building, Seattle, Wash

120

Heaton, H. G., Wrangell Cold Storage Co., Inc., Juneau, Alaska - 119
Scott, Louis G., Tokeen Cold Storage Co., Inc., Juneau, Alaska-- 119
Senate Joint Memorial No. 22, Alaska State Legislature -

110

Anchorage, Alaska, field hearings (October 24 and 26, 1959)---

121

Statement of

Anderson, Robert H., general manager, Alaska Railroad, Anchor-

age, Alaska.

144, 149, 152

Byer, Hon. George, mayor of Anchorage, Anchorage, Alaska 123

Clark, Henry W., vice president, Alaska Steamship Co., 1026

17th Street NW., Washington, D.C..

143

Groh, Clifford J., Esq., Alaska Carriers Association, Box 2068,

Anchorage, Alaska --

218

Haagen, James J., Alaska Carriers Association, 2604 Crestwood

Avenue, Anchorage, Alaska---

203

Hostetler, C. A., comptroller, city of Anchorage, Anchorage,

Alaska.

169

Iiams, Howard, Post Office Box 252, traffic manager of Weaver

Bros., Inc., and Inland Riverways, Inc., Anchorage, Alaska.-- 195
Kinnaird, John M., vice president, Consolidated Freightways,
Inc., Menlo Park, Calif.

123
Melius, Fred N., Jr., vice president and assistant general counsel,
U.S. Freight Co., Anchorage, Alaska

224
McCahill, Tom H., Esq., McCahill Freight & Warehousing Co.,
Inc., 501 Fireweed Lande, Anchorage, Alaska--

209

McDonald, Raymond, agent, Alaska Railroad at Curry, Curry,

Alaska.

171

O'Neil, Dennis E., representing Brotherhood of Locomotive

Firemen and Enginemen, 1416 G Street, Anchorage, Alaska - 175

Petersen, Raymond I., president, Northern Consolidated Airlines,

Anchorage, Alaska -

163

Stakem, Hon. Thomas, member, Federal Maritime Board, 3049

General Accounting Office Building, Washington, D.C.--

176

Strandberg, Harold, representative, Port Commission of Anchor-
age, Post Office Box 2099, Anchorage, Alaska..

165
Letters, telegrams, resolutions, etc.:

Ernst, Roger, Assistant Secretary of the Interior, U.S. Depart-
ment of the Interior, Washington, D.C.

162

Lichtenwalner, Milton H., Talkeetna, Alaska.

191

Seward, Alaska, field hearings (October 27, 1959)--

229

Statement of—

Hice, Bill, Seward, Alaska---

244

Petrovich, Hon. Alex, mayor of Seward, Seward, Alaska... 231, 239

Stockton, Perry, district manager, Northern Stevedoring Corp.,

Seward, Alaska...

241

Urbach, Larry, chairman of the board of directors, Chamber of

Commerce, Seward, Alaska---

232

Werner, Jack, Seward, Alaska ---

232, 235, 255

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Cordova, Alaska, field hearings (October 27, 1959) -

259

Statement of

Anderson, Hon. Barney, mayor, city of Cordova, Cordova,

Alaska

260

Henrichs, Hollis, Cordova, Alaska.

263

Logan, Hon. B. J., State senator, Cordova, Alaska_

261

Meyers, Leslie, Box 360, Cordova, Alaska_.

264

Valdez, Alaska, field hearings (October 28, 1959) -

267

Statement of -

Devault, Jack, Valdez, Alaska.

289

Dieringer, Jim, Dieringer Trucking Service, Valdez, Alaska----301, 305

Ditman, Robert, Valdez, Alaska..

290

Gilson, George, president, Valdez Chamber of Commerce, Valdez,

Alaska.

269, 297

Huls, Durwood, Valdez, Alaska_

304
Jatzeck, Tom, Valdez, Alaska.

-273, 308
Kelsey, John, partner, Valdez Dock Co., Valdez, Alaska_

283

Nickerman, Prof. Ed., Valdez, Alaska --

294

St. Amand, Lawrence, Box 146, Valdez, Alaska

296

Wallace, Jack, Copper River Freight Lines, Valdez, Alaska..

280

Wells, Max, merchant, Valdez, Alaska -

306

Fairbanks, Alaska, field hearings (October 29, 1959)

311

Statement of -

Anderson, Robert H., general manager, Alaska Railroad, 1524

Hidden Lane, Anchorage, Alaska -

-353, 367

Blood, H. R., Fairbanks terminal manager, Lynden Transfer, Inc.,

Fairbanks, Alaska..

377

Buckley, Larry, district freight and passenger agent, Alaska Rail-

road, Fairbanks, Alaska -

380

Carr, Jesse L., secretary-treasurer, Local 959, Teamsters Union,

Post Office Box 2092, Anchorage, Alaska.

381

Chapados, Frank X., 515 Third Avenue, Graehl, Fairbanks,

Alaska..

312

Geraghty, Clyde, terminal manager of Mitchell Truck & Tractor
Service, 210 Bonnefield, Fairbanks, Alaska_

384
Greinmann, Paul, Jr., bus company operator, Box 1048, Fair-
banks, Alaska...

371
Kunz, Albert J., general traffic manager, Alaska Railroad,
Anchorage, Alaska..

361
Pilgrim, Earl, Stampede Antimony Mine, Box No. 1896, Fair-
banks, Alaska

329
Rasor, John C., Box 1523, Fairbanks, Alaska..

388

Rogge, Gene, Partner, Sourdough Freight Lines, 1111 Gilliam

Way, Fairbanks, Alaska..

324

Schlotfeldt, Leo, president and manager, Sourdough Express, Inc.,

Fairbanks, Alaska..

326

Walrath, Hon. Laurence K., Commissioner, Interstate Commerce

Commission, Washington, D.C..

334

Letters, telegrams, resolutions, etc.:

Anchorage Daily Times, editorial, Anchorage, Alaska, dated

July 8, 1959.

350

Anderson, R. H., general manager, Alaska Railroad, 1524 Hidden

Lane, Anchorage, Alaska.

391

Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, editoria' nks, Alaska, dated

July 15, 1959.

348

Shake, R. L., general chairmar,

representative,

Brotherhood of Rai'

Railroad,

Anchorage, Alaska

370

Honolulu, Hawaii, field hearii

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393

Statement of -

Barthrop, John A

reight ways,

Menlo Park, Ca

403

Cooke, Brian, vice president

an Airlines, Ltd.,

Honolulu, Haw.ji.--

494

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Honolulu, Hawaii, field hearings—Continued

Statement of-Continued

Crossley, Hon. Randolph, State senator for Hawaii, Honolulu, Page

Hawaii..

486

Dillingham, Benjamin F., II, vice president and general manager,

Oahu Railway & Land Co. of Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii

(accompanied by Mr. Galland) --

422

Fukumoto, Richard, member, Hawaiian Trucking Association,
79 South King Street, Honolulu, Hawaii.

466

Galland, George F., Esq., 1413 K Street NW., Washington, D.C... 408

Goodsill, Marshall, Anderson, Wrenn & Jenks, Honolulu, Hawaii.. 435

Grosjean, Robert, member, Hawaii Trucking Association,

Honolulu, Hawaii.

461

Hulten, John J., 239 Merchant Street, Honolulu, Hawaii.

468

Kashiwa, Hon. Shiro, attorney general for the State of Hawaii,

Honolulu, Hawaii.-

395, 446

King, Hon. Jack, 1431-A Kewalo Street, Apartment 6, Honolulu,

Hawaii...

417

Loo, Hon. Frank W. C., State representative for Hawaii, Hono-
lulu, Hawaii..

395

Melius, Fred M., Jr., vice president and assistant general counsel,

U.S. Freight Co., 345 Hudson Street, New York, N.Y.

441

Shigerkane, Hon. Henry, deputy attorney general for Hawaii,

Honolulu, Hawaii..

450

Starr, Russell, freight traffic manager, Castle & Cook, Inc., 130

Merchant Street, Honolulu, Hawaii..

475

Suwa, Hon. Jack, chairman, House Transportation Committee,

House of Representatives of Hawaii, Honolulu, Hawaii.--

Yee, Hon. Wadsworth, State representative for Hawaii, Honolulu,

Hawaii..

417

Statement submitted by-

Mohn, Einar O., president, Western Conference of Teamsters,

Honolulu, Hawaii..

419

Letters, telegrams, etc.:

Fong, Hon. Hiram L., a U.S. Senator from the State of Hawaii,
Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C.--

418
Ho, Tim, superintendent of public works, Hawaii State Highway
Department, Honolulu, Hawaii...

493

Withington, Leonard, manager, trade department, Chamber of

Commerce of Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii...

491

ALASKAN AND HAWAIIAN TRANSPORTATION

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1959

U.S. SENATE,
COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE,

Council Chambers, Ketchikan, Alaska. Senator BARTLETT. The meeting will come to order.

This is the first Alaska meeting, October 20, 1959, of the Senate Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee, meeting here in Ketchikan, on various bills, having to do with Alaska, specifically, several transportation bills. However, the committee will be glad to hear witnesses who do not desire to testify specifically on the measures before us, but who, instead, want to talk on other, and perhaps general problems.

My name is E. L. "Bob" Bartlett, a member of the Senate committee; and at my immediate right is Frank L. Barton, transportation counsel for the committee; and at his right, is Harold I. Baynton, chief counsel for the Senate committee. The committee is pleased to have with it, also, traveling through Alaska, we hope, Mr. Laurence Walrath, a member of the Interstate Commerce Commission, and Mr. Whitehouse, of his staff; also Mr. William Thompson, of the Association of American Railroads; and we are very pleased that Commissioner Romick, head of the State department of commerce, is with us; and we expect to be joined by others, as we proceed up the coast. Our hearings will terminate in Fairbanks, some days from now.

It is a particular pleasure for me to be here again, in Ketchikan, and see so many of my old friends.

There are before us, as I said, a number of bills, pertaining mainly to transportation, which the people of Alaska have an interest; and I might add, that this interest concerning these transportattion bills extends fikewise to Hawaii, and I am told, Puerto Rico, and perhaps other sections of the country.

Notices were issued several weeks ago that hearings were to be held, and the people of Ketchikan were invited to appear, and urged to express themselves on these bills.

Before we hear the first witness, who will be none other than the mayor of Ketchikan, Mr. Richard Hardcastle, I shall give a brief description of each of the bills on which the hearings are being held:

1. S. 1507, to make the Interstate Commerce Act applicable to transportation by water between Alaska ports and other ports in the United States.

2. S. 1508, to provide for economic regulation of the Alaska Railroad under the Interstate Commerce Act.

3. S. 2451, H.R. 8521, and H.R. 8564, companion bills, to establish a joint board for through routes and joint rates and to make manda

NOTE.—Professional staff member assigned to these hearings Frank L. Barton.

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tory through routes and joint rates by carriers engaged in transportation of property between Alaska or Hawaii, and other States.

4. S. 2452, H.R. 8520, and H.R. 8565, companion bills, to establish a joint board and to permit the filing of through routes and joint rates for carriers engaged in transportation of property between Alaska or Hawaii and the other States.

5. S. 2514, to establish the Alaska Railroad as a Government corporation.

6. H.R. 6244, to provide grandfather rights for motor carriers and freight forwarders operating within Alaska and between Alaska and other States and for other water carriers operating within Alaska; to provide for Interstate Commerce Commission regulation of the Alaska Railroad; and to make the Interstate Commerce Act applicable to for-hire water carriers operating between ports of Alaska and ports of other States.

I will insert copies of the above-mentioned bills into the record at this point.

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(S. 1507, 86th Cong., 1st sess.) A BILL To make the Interstate Commerce Act, as amended, applicable to transportation

by water between ports in the State of Alaska and other ports in the United States, and for other purposes

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That (a) the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended; the Intercoastal Shipping Act, 1933, as amended; and section 27(b) of the Act of July 7, 1958 (72 Stat. 339), providing for the admission of Alaska into the Union, are hereby repealed insofar as they are inconsistent with any provision of the Interstate Commerce Act, as amended, and insofar as they provide for the regulation of the transportation of persons or property by water between places in Alaska and places in the other States of the United States or the District of Columbia, or between places in Alaska. This provision shall not, however, be construed to repeal section 205 of the Merchant Marine Act, 1936 (46 U.S.C. 1115), as amended, or any provision of law providing penalties for violations of such section 205; the third sentence of section 2 of the Intercoastal Shipping Act, 1933, as amended (46 U.S.C. 844) as extended by section 5 of such Act, or any provision of law providing penalties for violations of section 2; the provisions of the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended, insofar as such Act provides for the regulation of persons included within the term “other persons subject to this Act”, as defined in such Act, but this reservation shall not include persons who do not operate vessels but who have been held to be water common carriers under that Act or the Shipping Act, 1933, regardless as to whether such persons are water common carriers subject to part III of the Interstate Commerce Act or freight forwarders under part IV of that Act; sections 27 and 28 of the Merchant Marine Act, 1920 (46 U.S.C. 883, 884); the provisions of section 15 of the Shipping Act, 1916, as amended (46 U.S.C. 814), so as to prevent any water carrier subject to the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act from entering into any agreement under the provisions of such section 15 with respect to transportation not subject to the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act in which such carrier may be engaged ; any law of navigation, the admiralty jurisdiction of the courts of the United States, liabilities of vessels and their owners for loss or damage, or laws respecting seamen, or any other maritime law, regulation, or custom not in conflict with the provisions of the Interstate Commerce Act.

(b) Except to the extent that they are required by the Federal Maritime Board in connection with its continued jurisdiction, all files, reports, records, tariff schedules, contracts, agreements, and other documents in the possession of the Board relating to the regulation of transportation by water between places in Alaska and other places in the United States and between places in Alaska, and carriers engaged in such transportation, shall be transferred to the Interstate Commerce Commission. To the extent that such records and documents are re

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