« PreviousContinue »
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The call of the roll is proceeding, and the first name has been responded to.
The roll-call was resumed.
Mr. CHACE (when his name was called). I am paired with the Senator from Georgia (Mr. COLQU'ITT].
Mr. PALMER ( when Mr. CONGER's name was called). My colleague [Mr. CONGER] is absent, and is paired with the Senator from New Jersey (Mr. MCPHERSON) on this question. My colleague would vote "yea” if he were present.
Mr. McPHERSON (when his name was called). I am paired with the Senator from Michigan [Mr. CONGER).
Mr. MANDERSON (when his name was called).' I am paired with the junior Senator from Kentucky (Mr. BLACKBURN).
Mr. VEST (when his name was called). I am paired with the Senator from Kansas [Mr. PLUMB]. If he were here, I should vote "yea.”
The roll-call having been concluded, the result was announcedyeas 31, nays 14; as follows:
Mitchell of Oreg., Wilson of Iowa.
Jones of Arkansas, Plumb,
Jones of Florida, Riddleberger,
Mitchell of Pa., Wilson of Md.
Mr. CALL. Unless the Senator from Illinois objects, I will now move that the Senate adjourn.
Mr. CULLOM. The unanimous agreement of the Senate some days ago was that the bill should be finished to-day, and I hope that we shall go on until we have disposed of it.
Mr. CALL. I shall not object to that course if the Senator from Illinois insists on it, but
Mr. CULLOM. It will take only a little while longer, I think.
Mr. CALL. These are important amendments, and necessarily we must consider them hastily now.
Mr. KENNA. I do not understand that there was any unanimous consent that the bill should be finally disposed of to-day.
Mr. CULLOM. Yes, there was.
Mr. KENNA. I appeal to the RECORD. I think there was not any understanding of the sort.
Mr. CULLOM. The President of the Senate may decide that matter. Mr. KENNA. There was a general disposition to have an under
standing that at an early hour–4 o'clock in the afternoon—the Senate should proceed to vote without further debate, but no such understanding was reached.
I wish to say to the Senator from Illinois at this moment that if his programme is to force a conclusion of the bill to-night, he may find himself rather retarding than improving the progress of the bill. This is not a bill to be forced through the Senate at this hour of the evening without a very thorough understanding by everybody that it is to be done. There are some amendments, one in particular, which will probably not be coerced through at this hour of the evening in the absence of a number of Senators. I should like to see the bill concluded at as early an hour as possible, but I admonish the Senator that he may make better haste by going more slowly on the proposition to pass the bill to-night.
Mr. CULLOM. The Senator addresses himself to me as though he thought I was undertaking to bulldoze somebody.
Mr. KENNA. I beg pardon. I do not mean to intimate any such thing.
Mr. CULLOM. The Senator is certainly mistaken in his man, if he thinks so.
I have a very distinct recollection of what occurred. In the first instance, I asked that the bill be disposed of at 5 o'clock on Monday, yesterday. Some Senators, among them the Senator from Delaware (Mr. SAULSBURY), objected. Then, on the appeal of the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. HOAR] that I yield and give another day, fixing the time at 3 o'clock to-day for the final vote and to dispose of the bill, I asked that that be done. Then the Senator from Iowa (Mr. ALLISON] objected, and said he did not want any hour fixed, but was willing that the bill should be disposed of to-day, and that was assented to.
Mr. KENNA. Provided that we should reach a conclusion of the debate.
Mr. CULLOM. That was the unanimous agreement, as I understood it at any rate, and I think every other Senator who was present so understood it.
Mr. KENNA. I think that the Senator will find that instead of that being the unanimous understanding it was simply the end of that proposition.
Mr. HARRIS. If the Senator from Illinois will allow me, I should be glad to see this bill with the amendments, especially those which are reserved and yet to be acted upon, in print. I am going to stay with the Senator from Illinois as long as he wants to stay here to-night, if he chooses to go on; but I think perhaps it would be quite as well for us to allow the bill with the amendments agreed to as in Committee of the Whole to be printed. I have no objection to an understanding that we shall take it up immediately after the routine business in the morning and proceed to vote. I have no objection to considering the general debate entirely closed, and that we proceed to vote upon the various amendments to-morrow. I am ready to go on now, however, if the Senate is entirely willing to do so.
Mr. CULLOM. I should like to know what the decision of the Senate was the other day before I say anything further about it.
Mr. HARRIS. My suggestion was wholly independent of that. I do not question the agreement as stated.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair has the proceedings before him, which are much more accurate than the recollection of any indi
vidual, and they correspond with the recollection of the Chair at the time. After some colloquy between the Senator from Delaware (Mr. SAULSBURY) and the Senator from Illinois (Mr. CULLOM), the Senator from Illinois said: My object is to get a time fixed and get the subject disposed of at some period. Then follows: The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection to the proposition of the Senator from Illinois (Mr. CULLOM) to fix Tuesday for taking the vote on this bill? (A pause.) The Chair hears no objection to that proposition to fix Tuesday as the period for taking the vote on the bill. Mr. EDMUNDS. Not later than that. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Not later than Tuesday. That was the understanding. Mr. CALL. If the Senator from Illinois will allow me, I appeal to him to consent to an adjournment at this time. It is very evident to those of us who are friends of the bill, and have been from the earliest possible time, that there will be a good deal of discussion upon the reserved amendments.
Mr. EDMUNDS. Now is a good time for it.
Mr. CALL. It is evident that we would be kept here until a late hour to-night without effecting the passage of the bill. I therefore propose to the Senator from Illinois that he consent to adjourn, and if he does not object I will move an adjournment.
Mr. HALE. We had better come to some understanding before adjourning.
Mr. CULLOM. I do not feel like yielding for the reason that I have been a good deal abused, I may say, for having a measure here that has taken up so much time, and I have been very anxious to have it disposed of so as to get it out of the way of other business. I have been in as much haste as possible consistent with due deliberation, and I am unwilling now to yield to an adjournment unless there can be an hour fixed at an early part of the day to-morrow at which time the bill and amendments shall be disposed of.
Mr. EDMUNDS. That I object to, as the Senator from Iowa [Mr. ALLISON] did. It is not right on a bill of this kind to fix an hour. We came to that understanding the other day, objecting to hours, and the Senator from Iowa was right about it; but we agreed that we would stay it out, with the amount of business there is before the Senate. Every Senator, if he has kept the run of the bill, knows just what the amendments are, interlined in his bill, and what the effect of them is, as far as any of us can understand them, which I am not very sure that I do as to the whole of them.
It does not bind the Chair, all admit, but we agreed we would stay it out to-night; and now to make an agreement to stay it out to-morrow or to vote at a particular time would turn out in the same way probably. Certainly to agree to vote at a particular time is objectionable, as the Senator from Iowa said the other day, because some amendment might be proposed which ought to be discussd a little; but to agree to stay until it is done is safe for everybody.
Mr. KENNA. I do not understand that we agreed to stay here indefinitely, day and night, until the bill was done, or that we agreed to sit it out to-day. Of course, I do not mean to assume that any Senator on this floor will undertake to delay final action on the bill for a moment. I have seen no indication of that sort, and I do not expect to see any. I know at least one amendment adopted as in Committee of the whole to which a great many Senators attach much importance; and upon that amendment I think I express the sentiment of the entire Senate when I say that it is desirable to have the Senate full when the question is determined. That is the motive of all I have said on this question. I have no desire to delay the bill in any manner whatever, nor to precipitate it, beyond reasonable opportunities which may be afforded.
I beg the Senator from Illinois to understand most distinctly that I meant no reflection upon him in any feature of his management of the . bill in what I said.
Mr. CULLOM. I only said what I did on the supposition that the Senator thought I was misrepresenting the state of facts. I certainly agree with the Senator from West Virginia in desiring a full vote on the particular amendment to which the Senator, I suppose, refers; and I should be very glad if we could have it now if we can have a full Senate here.
Mr. KENNA. I will state to the Senator from Illinois that we can not get a full vote to-night, for the reason that several Senators are absent and not paired on the question, and I hope he will consent to an adjournment until to-morrow.
Mr. CULLOM. My purpose in naming an hour was that we might get through with the bill before spending the whole day to-morrow in its consideration. If we do not name an hour it is inevitable that we shall take all day to-morrow in the consideration of the bill, and thereby keep other business back.
Mr. ALLISON. Why can we not agree that at a certain hour tomorrow, say 2 o'clock, what is known as general debate shall cease, and then brief debate shall be allowed.
Mr. HOAR. Under the five-minute rule.
Mr. ALLISON. The Senator from Vermont suggests a brief debate of ten minutes for amendments.
Mr. FRYE. I shall object for one to consuming the morning hour, as it is called, with this bill.
Mr. CULLOM. When ? Mr. FRYE. To-morrow morning. Mr. KENNA. We can commence at 2 o'clock and dispose of the bill easily in the afternoon.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair awaits any proposition which may be made.
Mr. KENNA. I hope the Senator from Illinois will consent that the matter may go over; and I speak only with reference to one amendment.
Mr. COLLOM. Will the Senator make some detinite proposition, so that we may understand if it is adopted what we shall do to-morrow?
Mr. VEST. Let us agree to take the vote at 5 o'clock to-morrow.
Mr. HOAR. I should like to inquire whether there would be any objection to the arrangement which the Senator from Iowa has in substance suggested, that at 4 o'clock to-morrow general debate shall cease, and that debate thereafter shall be under a ten-minute rule, or a five-minute rule, I do not care which.
Mr. COCKRELL and others. Five minutes.
Mr. HOAR. That proposition does not involve an agreement to take up the bill at the close of the routine morning business, but it leaves it in the power of the majority of the Senate then to do it, as of course it always can take up any particular bill when it shall see fit.
Mr. SAWYER. I suggest that we take up the bill at 2 o'clock. There will be time enough then if we vote at 4 o'clock, and it will give us the morning hour for the Calendar, which we have not had for a long time.
Mr. HALE. Why not have all debate to-morrow under the fiveminute rule?
Mr. EDMUNDS. And have the same understanding which we have had, that we may violate it.
Mr. HOAR. I ask the Chair to propose that unanimous consent be given that all debate after 4 o'clock to morrow shall proceed under the five-minute rule.
Mr. CULLOM. And that the subject be disposed of to-morrow before adjournment.
Mr. GORMAN. There will be no objection to that course, I think. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair will state the proposition of the Senator from Massachusetts. The Senator from Massachusetts asks that at 4 o'clock to-morrow any further debate on the pending bill and amendments shall be under the five-minute rule, strictly enforced. Is there objection?
Mr. MILLER. I object.
Mr. MILLER. I object to any arrangement of that kind at all. I have had something to do with this bill. The arrangement which was made the other day to take the vote to-day I think was improperly made. I say that in sustaining the position taken by the Senator from West Virginia. The proposition to fix the hour for a vote on the bill was called up early in the morning, as soon as the bill was taken up, and no arrangement was made. Then later in the day it was called up, when a number of Senators who would not have consented to the arrangement were out of the Chamber, and I judge that that arrangement was improperly made.
Mr. CULLOM. If the Senator will allow me, it seems to me that he is mistaken in the question of time. I think the one suggestion followed the other in a very few minutes.
Mr. MILLER. I was present when the first suggestion was made, and I did not understand that any such agreement was come to at all. I went away from the Senate Chamber understanding and believing that no arrangement had been arrived at for any definite hour for voting.
Mr. KENNA. May I make a suggestion? I had the same impression exactly, and that is why I made the suggestion I did a while ago. When the first proposition to fix a time was made there was no agreement reached, and I left the Senate Chamber with the understanding that there was no time fixed.
Mr. MILLER. The bill has been under discussion for several weeks. One very important amendment has been made, known as the Camden amendment. A vote has been reserved upon it in the Senate. Several days of discussion have been had upon that proposition as it now stands before the Senate. After the bill is reported finally to the Senate, when we come to a time when we are to be asked to vote upon it
Mr. EDMUNDS. Now.
Mr. MILLER. Which is now, as the Senator from Vermont suggests, the Senator from Vermont gives notice of another amendment