REV. A. S. KAVANAGH, Brooklyn, N. Y.: I agree with practically all the remarks of the former speakers. I make this remark because during the reading of this paper I have in hand it may seem to you for the time being that I would take issue with some of the propositions and some of the positions maintained. By the time I reach the close of my paper, you will find that, in spirit at least, and possibly in plan or method, I would not depart very far from the positions which have been laid down by the previous speakers.

PRESIDENT: You have heard the resolutions read; what is your pleasure?

MR. R. H. TOWNLEY, New York: If I am in order, I would like to move the adoption of the resolutions.

DR. HURD: I hardly think we are in the position to act upon that without giving it a little more thought. Personally, I should prefer to have the matter go over until the next session, so that we may have an opportunity of thinking over matters, and not touch it now. It seems to me, from a hasty consideration of the question, that it would be better, if such a committee is appointed, to have the committee appointed without such definite instructions. I do not care much about the training course of three months given by the Young Women's Christian Association. I do not think we can indorse the work done by them as efficient; that is the feeling which I have on the surface. It would seem important that we have an opportunity to think this over until another session.

PRESIDENT: Do I understand that you make a motion to that effect, Dr. Hurd?

DR. HURD: I move that the resolutions offered by Dr. Kavanagh be laid on the table.

MR. H. J. BOSTWICK, Clifton Springs, N. Y.: I have pleasure in seconding that motion.

Motion put and carried.

PRESIDENT: Before opening the discussion, I would like to make one or two brief announcements. First, I would like to mention that owing to the absence of Dr. Rowe, who, I understand, will not be able to be here, the Chair has seen fit to appoint a substitute to serve in his place upon the

Committee on Nominations-Dr. Walter Lathrop. The Committee on Nominations, which was to report at the last session, consisted of Dr. Ross, Dr. Rowe and Mr. Kenney.

Under the constitution and the by-laws of this Association, guests who have been introduced to the Chair have the privilege of the floor. I trust that any guest who is here and who has any ideas to give or criticisms to make, touching upon the matters discussed in the papers, will not hesitate to avail himself or herself of the opportunity of addressing the Convention.

MR. TOWNLEY: I would like the privilege of the floor for just a moment, if I may be granted that pleasure. I do not approve of the idea of delaying this matter-that this committee should not make a report until the next session of this convention. To lay it on the table now and bring it up a year hence means two years' delay in this matter.

PRESIDENT: I would say that under the rules of parliamentary procedure it would be perfectly proper to bring up the report at any session after this session. It may be brought up tomorrow or any day prior to Friday, the closing day of this convention.

REV. DR. KAVANAGH: I wish to say just a word or two with regard to this matter. You will recollect that when I addressed the Chair I said that I did not desire that these matters should be considered today. I thought it might be springing the thing on the convention too suddenly, and therefore I made the statement I did. I hope I have not been misunderstood. I think it ought to be considered at some other session of the convention.

PRESIDENT: The resolutions having been disposed of, the papers are now open for discussion.

The papers were discussed by Dr. Washburn, Dr. Kavanagh, Miss Catlin, Miss Alline, Miss Aikens and Miss Goodrich. (See page 171.)

WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 30TH-MORNING SESSION.

The Convention was called to order by the President at 10 a. m.

PRESIDENT: I wish to remind the members once more that the Registration Book is just outside the door of this room. Many members and guests have not reg

istered. We should like to have a full registration of guests as well as members. Is there any business to come before the meeting before we take up the reading of the papers?

DR. W. A. JONES, Minneapolis: I wish to offer a motion that the resolution read by Rev. Dr. Kavanagh yesterday be removed from the table for reconsideration, and for such modifications as the night's deliberations. may have brought forth.

PRESIDENT: Is the motion seconded?

DR. HURD: I would second that motion, but I would say for "consideration" rather than "reconsideration," because they have not been considered at all as yet.

DR. JONES: I accept the amendment.

PRESIDENT: Will the Secretary please read the res

olution.

SECRETARY: "Resolved: That a committee be appointed consisting of seven members of this organization, two physicians, two nurses, two laymen, and the President ex-officio, whose duty it shall be.

"First-To seek information from leading physicians, surgeons, nurses and training school committees, and from every available source, bearing upon the curriculum and length of the course of training of our nurses;

"Second-To consider to what extent hospitals should undertake to prepare a class of nurse helpers or assistants, and to report upon the advisability of co-operating with such associations as the Y. W. C. A. in this work.

"Third-To present a model curriculum, containing only such subjects as they deem necessary for the proper training of a regular nurse or a nurse helper, and to report at the next annual meeting of this association;

"RESOLVED FURTHER: That the treasurer be authorized to pay the expenses of said committee, the amount to be determined upon at this meeting."

The motion to consider the resolutions was adopted.

REV. DR. KAVANAGH: I would like the privilege of modifying these resolutions in one particular. I would like to eliminate one sentence or one clause if you will grant me the privilege-"To co-operate with the Young Women's

Christian Association in the work, etc." It makes a reference that might seem to be an endorsement of the Young Women's Christian Association, a thing I did not intend, though I intended an investigation of all such societies. If I could have the general consent of the convention, I would like to have that taken out before the discussion.

PRESIDENT: Will you move an amendment, Dr. Kavanagh?

REV. DR. KAVANAGH: If you wish.

PRESIDENT: Dr. Kavanagh moves to strike out the words as read. Is the amendment seconded?

DR. HURD: I second the amendment.

PRESIDENT: All those in favor of the amendment as proposed by Dr. Kavanagh will please raise their right hands. (Motion carried.)

PRESIDENT: I think we have the resolutions now in proper form for consideration. They read: "That a committee be appointed consisting of seven members of this Association, two nurses, two physicians, two laymen and the President, whose duty it shall be to seek information from leading physicians, surgeons, nurses,. training school committees, and other available sources, etc.'"

DR. HURD: I have to offer another amendment. I move that the following words be omitted (after seven members of this Association) "two nurses, two physicians, two laymen," so that the President can appoint a certain number irrespective of whether they are laymen, physicians or nurses. I think that discretion should be given to the President.

PRESIDENT: Dr. Hurd moves to amend by striking out the words, "two nurses, two physicians, and two laymen."

DR. J. A. HORNSBY, Chicago: I second the motion. The amendment was adopted.

PRESIDENT: The resolution is now before us for consideration, "That a committee be appointed to consist of seven members of this Association and the President," etc.

MR. TOWNLEY: I would like to ask Dr. Kavanagh if the resolution is now satisfactory to him.

REV. DR. KAVANAGH: The resolutions are entirely satisfactory to me. The only thing I am anxious about is the appointment of a substantial committee to consider the matter.

PRESIDENT: Is there any further discussion?

DR. FISHER: I welcome this resolution, because it seems that in years past the various hospitals were rather working independently, and were undecided as to what they should do in regard to training school work. A short time ago one of the Trustees of a New York hospital, calling upon me, said: "Doctor, we have recently, by motion of our Board of Managers, changed the course of studies in our hospital from three years to two years; do you think that was a wise thing to do?" My reply was, "I do not know whether it was wise or not." The thing that impressed me was that the hospital, quite regardless of anybody else, and at the suggestion of perhaps one or two members of its Medical Board and a few concurring members of the Board of Management, who probably did not know very much about the details, agreed to change the course of study from three to two years. I said further, that the training school has become a large educational factor in the hospitals throughout the land. No other body of people having to do with so large a problem of education of young women are satisfied to decide; no college is willing to decide for itself what it should do; no preparatory school is willing to act alone in regard to its curriculum. Why should not these people, whose interests are so large, get together and try to get a broad view of the work. One hospital has only a very limited view of what is necessary or desirable for training schools throughout the land. It seems to me that the wise thing for trustees of hospitals to do is to get together and have a representative body from all over the United States and Canada and determine what shall be the education of the nurse, and how it shall be accomplished. I welcome this discussion and these resolutions as the foundation at least of some particular consideration of the subject which should command the respect of the Trustees, the Training School Committees, and of all hospital authorities. I sincerely hope