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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON
INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-FOURTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H.R. 5224 and H.R. 5622 TO PROVIDE FOR THE MANAGEMENT, PROTECTION, AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE NATIONAL RESOURCE LANDS, AND

FOR OTHER PURPOSES

HEARINGS HELD IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
MARCH 21, 24, AND 25; APRIL 7 AND 11, 1975

Serial No. 94-9

Printed for the use of the
Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1975

54-005

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COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

JAMES A. HALEY, Florida, Chairman ROY A. TAYLOR, North Carolina

JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas, Ranking Minority HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

Member MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona

SAM STEIGER, Arizona PHILLIP BURTON, California

DON H. CLAUSEN, California ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin PHILIP E. RUPPE, Michigan PATSY T. MINK, Hawaii

MANUEL LUJAN, JR., New Mexico LLOYD MEEDS, Washington

KEITH G. SEBELIUS, Kansas
ABRAHAM KAZEN, JR., Texas

ALAN STEELMAN, Texas
ROBERT G. STEPHENS, JR., Georgia WILLIAM M. KETCHUM, California
JOSEPH P. VIGORITO, Pennsylvania DON YOUNG, Alaska
JOHN MELCHER, Montana

ROBERT E. BAUMAN, Maryland
TENO RONCALIO, Wyoming

STEVEN D. SYMMS, Idaho JONATHAN B. BINGHAM, New York JAMES P. (JIM) JOHNSON, Colorado JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio

ROBERT J. LAGOMARSINO, California HAROLD RUNNELS, New Mexico

VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska
ANTONIO BORJA WON PAT, Guam
RON DE LUGO, Virgin Islands
BOB ECKHARDT, Texas
GOODLOE E. BYRON, Maryland
JAIME BENITEZ, Puerto Rico
JIM SANTINI, Nevada
PAUL E. TSONGAS, Massachusetts
ALLAN T. HOWE, Utah
JAMES WEAVER, Oregon
BOB CARR, Michigan
GEORGE MILLER, California
THEODORE M. (TED) RISENHOOVER,

Oklahoma
WRIGHT PATMAN, Texas

CHARLES CONKLIN, Staff Director

LEE MCELVAIN, Counsel
WILLIAM L. SHAFER, Consultant on Mines, Minerals, and Public Lands

MICHAEL C. MARDEN, Minority Counsel
JAMES ROCK, Minority Staff Consultant on Public Lands

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS

JOHN MELCHER, Montana, Chairman PHILIP BURTON, California

SAM STEIGER, Arizona GOODLOE E. BYRON, Maryland

JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

DON CLAUSEN, California
WRIGHT PATMAN, Texas

DON YOUNG, Alaska
THEODORE M. (TED) RISENHOOVER, JAMES P. (JIM) JOHNSON, Colorado

Oklahoma
HAROLD RUNNELS, New Mexico
JIM SANTINI, Nevada
PAUL E. TSONGAS, Massachusetts
MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona
JAMES WEAVER, Oregon
NOTE.—The first listed minority member is counterpart to the subcommittee chairman.

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CONTENTS

Hearings held:

Page

March 21, 1975..

1

March 24, 1975-

45

March 25, 1975.

87

April 7, 1975.

253

April 11, 1975...

353

Text of:

H.R. 5224.

88

Subcommittee Print No. 1 (bill).

139

H.R. 5622..

254

Statements:

Alderson, George, Director of Federal Affairs, the Wilderness Society - 62, 395

American Petroleum Institute..

491

Berklund, Hon. Curt, Director, Bureau of Land Management, Depart-

ment of the Interior.

2

Clusen, Charles M., a Washington representative of the Sierra Club.-77, 474

Edwards, Howard L., vice president and secretary, the Anaconda Co.,

on behalf of the American Mining Congress.

380

Evenden, Fred G., executive director, the Wildlife Society

473

Garrett, Tom, conservation director, Friends of the Earth (plus

affidavits, State of North Dakota) -

412

Herbert, W. F., manager, Natural Resources, Southern Pacific Land

Co., to the Statewide Natural Resources Committee, California
Chamber of Commerce, April 24, 1973-

495

Horton, Hon. Jack O., Assistant Secretary, Land and Water Resources,

Department of the Interior.

221

Kimball, Thomas L., executive vice president, National Wildlife

Federation.

451

Landstrom, Karl S., Arlington, Va.--.

79, 340
MacCleery, Douglas W., Forester for the National Forest Products

Association (plus suggested amendments to Subcommittee Print
No. 1, and H.R. 5224)

315

McGuire, Hon. John R., Chief, Forest Service, Department of

Agriculture..

30, 246

Rust Kenneth, commissioner, Fallon County, Mont., on behalf of

the National Association of Counties, submitted by Jim Evans,
NACo legislative representative--

354
Summary---

353
Smith, Dr. Spencer M., Jr., Citizens Committee on Natural Resources. 77

Weber, John, representing the chairman of the Public Lands Council. 46

Letters:

Crandell, Harry B., director of Wilderness Reviews, the Wilderness

Society, to Hon. John Melcher, dated May 16, 1975.-

482

Datt, John C., director congressional relations, American Farm

Bureau Federation, to Hon. John Melcher, dated March 26, 1975.. 485

Denton, William R., vice president, Southern Pacific Transportation

Co., to Hon. John Melcher, dated April 7, 1975-.

488

Edwards, Howard L., chairman, AMC Public Lands Committee, to
Hon. John Melcher, dated April 28, 1975 (plus amendments).

392
Garrett, Tom, conservation director, Friends of the Earth, to Hon.
Joe Skubitz, dated June 11, 1975..

448
Hagenstein, W.D., executive vice president, Industrial Forestry

Association, Portland, Oreg., to Hon. John Melcher, dated April
16, 1975

489

Herbert, W.F., Southern Pacific Land Co., San Francisco, Calif., to

Regional Forester, San Francisco, dated Dec. 9, 1972

495

Jackson, Peter V., executive secretary, Montana Association of State
Grazing Districts, to Hon. John Melcher, dated March 31, 1975---- 486

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