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(a) A proposal to set up an Applied Research Agency to provide institutional, teaching and research support was, as you know, considered at one time by some members of Congress.

(b) In view of the legislation which permits (although it does not mandate) NSF to support applied research at universities and nonprofit enterprises, NSF could very suitably do this job-with some provisos and caveats which I will mention later. It is used to supporting university research and it has had experience in determining quality. It has, or at least could have, a knack for seeing important areas which mission agencies can overlook.

Of course, there are also some problems, e.g.

(1) Increasing involvement of NSF and its head in mission or development problems.

(2) Dilution of effort.

(3) Differences in style.

(c) The applied research gaps which concern me are in areas which universities regularly cover in their engineering schools or divisions (most engineering research falls into the applied research category-which also covers applied biological and social science research). The following are examples of applied reesarch with profound social implications:

etc.

(i) Environmental pollution-applied chemistry, hydrology, meteorology,

(ii) Jet noise and sonic boom-engine design, transonic and supersonic flow.

(iii) Earthquakes-prediction, prevention (or at least mitigation), earthquake engineering.

(d) A linkage between basic and applied research would be desirable because often they differ only in motivation, and the public still (or again) needs education in the ultimate possible practical—as well as the certain intellectual-value of basic research.

It should be remembered that the most spectacular applications tend to come either from relatively new basic research-e.g., nuclear power from nuclear fission in the 1940's, transplants from immunology now-or from old basic research which, either under the impetus of new applied needs or from interaction with new basic research, becomes applicable when it was not so before. For example, lasers would now be gaining application much less rapidly in the absence of the energy level information from spectroscopic data up to ninety years old, which had until then been applicable principally in astronomy and other basic research. All of this reemphasizes the need for a linkage.

(e) Support of institutions and teaching, as well as of research, is needed. This is parallel to the situation in basic research, where the National Science Foundation has done well. The National Institutes of Health has spanned the basic/applied spectrum-and its performance probably offers some arguments for, as well as some lessons about, connection between the two.

Still, there are NSF problems-which lead to several caveats and provisos to which I referred earlier.

III. PROVISOS AND CAVEATS

(a) Necessary as it is, support of applied research must not come at the expense of basic research. If the applied research mission is added, applied research funds must be added beyond the needed increase in basic research. Unless basic research is supported at a fully adequate level, the applications will dry up-sooner rather than later.

And one can't be positive that Congress and the public will not lump all the NSF appropriations together and say: "They were getting $450 million, now they are up to $650 million; cut back!”—forgetting that $200 million is for the new mission.

(b) The criteria for applied research, as in basic research, include quality, measurable by peer groups. Applied research quality has sometimes left something to be desired-although not in the sense that applied research is intrinsically second-rate, which some basic research people may have felt. In any event, quality needs to be carefully monitored.

(c) However, in applied research other criteria also exist for what should be supported. Priority and relevance become important considerations. Additional reviews and judgments, by different kinds of people, are needed for this purpose. The sponsoring agency needs to work closely with development-oriented groups, and the researchers also need some means of association with such groups. Yet the researchers must be able to make indepedent judgments about some criteria for applied research. The sponsoring agency can say, for example, how critical some disciplines are to developments; the researchers can say how far from theoretical limits the current tools or approaches are. There would need to be an annual review of mission agency needs-and an annual report by them on how they had used NSF applied science efforts. FCST, by its charter, could supervise this effort (though, as a former member, I have my doubts).

(d) NSF would have to be very selective, since it could support only an even smaller fraction of total federal applied research ($4.5 billion) than it does of basic research ($2–3 billion), and would have to be careful to avoid being merely a ballast tank.

(e) Different kinds of managers (research and development manager types) and organization would be required. There are successful industrial prototoypes (e.g. Bell Telephone Laboratories) which use principles such as geographical propinquity, plus organizational separation. If we can get the quality of management for a corresponding federal enterprise which exists in a very few industrial enterprises, I would feel very much more comfortable.

(f) There are "handover" and "not invented here" problems related to mission-oriented agencies and to industry. Getting others to fund applied research even after they have picked up the corresponding development can be very difficult. In recent years, we have unfortunately seen the reverse kind of handover happening, even in basic research-for example, mission agencies giving it to NSF without the money. Doing so for applied research would be fatal to it and to NSF.

(g) If possible, there should be parallel support of applied research by NSF to universities, with the mission agencies supporting industry in related development and universities in applied research. Last but not least, there should be close contact between universities and industry working in allied fields-with some industrial support, not closely specified as to use, of the university activities in basic and applied research helping to lubricate that contact.

IV. CONCLUSION

I do not think I have here all or even most of the solutions to the problems currently besetting applied research on the federal level. But I think I see the outlines of the problems and have some suggested lines of approach to solutions. We need those solutions because both healthy basic research and high-quality applied research, directed at the areas where society has needs, are required. At least this is so if science and technology are to do their share in helping solve our economic, social, and even political problems.

C. CENTRALIZATION OF FEDERAL SCIENCE ACTIVITIES

I have read through the report which was presented to you by your Committee's staff and find that it gives most of the arguments, pro and con, for various degrees of centralization. I myself, both before and during my eight years of

federal service, considered the same questions frequently. The idea of a single agency for federal research and development activities can be dismissed quite easily. The various using agencies which support large-scale development must bear the responsibility for those developments; they cannot deal at arm's length with some other federal agency supported by separate appropriations, which would do those developments for them. This fact substantially outweighs any arguments to the contrary which might be made on such bases as interrelation of various kinds of developments (military, atomic energy, space, transportation, etc.), or the desirability of having a single agency which could be held responsible for the general health of development in this country.

The arguments about centralization of science activities are more difficult. There clearly is a substantial similarity between the kinds of basic research, and even applied research, which are supported by such diverse agencies as Defense, NASA, AEC, and the National Science Foundation. And, based on the identity of the institutions where much of its research is done, NIH can be argued to be in a similar situation. It might therefore seem that a single agency responsible for all of these activities would prevent duplication, set priorities, etc. This would also get the mission agencies out of what some people might regard as an undesirable area for them to be in, and an unnecessary one since, at least for basic research (and, to a much lesser extent, for applied research), those agencies and developmental activities can use the results of the basic research only in an unpredictable way at a substantially later time.

However, there are three strong arguments which lead me to conclude that although closer coordination, of a kind that the Office of Science and Technology, together with the Bureau of the Budget and the Federal Council of Science and Technology (which operates under the chairmanship of the Director of OST), would be very desirable, a single agency to do all of the basic research now carried out by the various mission-oriented agencies, by NSF (and perhaps NIH) would have grave defects which would make it a worse choice than the present arrangement.

1. Research continues to be relatively unpredictable. It would be a mistake to have an arrangement whereby a single individual either at the top of, or buried somewhere in, a single agency could make the decision not to follow a certain line of research despite the opinions of a large body of researchers. The multiplicity of support which has existed in the past has prevented this from happening, and a number of vital pieces of basic research have thereby taken place which otherwise would probably have been cut off.

2. The mission-oriented agencies have a great deal to gain by supporting basic research in terms of establishing relationships with researchers, so that those researchers may become interested in the applications and development which lie at the heart of the activities of the mission-oriented agencies. They then can act as consultants for, or have ideas on, these developments, thus providing an important input from highly intelligent and motivated people outside of the government. Researchers, faculty and students simply will not have the same attitude toward some of the applied problems if their work is enirely supported by some pure-research agency. Furthermore, I believe that the agencies which ultimately use the fruits of basic and applied research have a direct, even if not the primary, responsibility for the health of those activities. This means that these agencies should directly support such activities.

3. There is no doubt in my mind that if the basic research activities of missionoriented agencies were folded into a new agency, the budget with which that new agency started would lie between the sum of the present support and that of NSF alone, and I greatly fear that it would be nearer the latter than the former. I do not believe that the cause of basic research would be thereby served. In fact, I believe that the nation's future intellectual, scientific, technological, and eventual economic health would be damaged. Furthermore, putting all basic research into a single agency risks very gravely the possibility that a single member of Congress in a key position in regard to the affairs of that agency would have a decisive voice on our nation's science policy, and neither the scientific community nor the bulk of the nation's voters would have any appeal from his decisions.

For all these reasons, I believe that centralizing research, as opposed to coordinating it better, would be a mistake.

Thank you for the opportunity to express these opinions on a variety of subjects. I look forward to seeing you again soon.

Sincerely,

HAROLD BROWN.

APPENDIX C

COMMUNICATIONS

Hon. E. Q. DADDARIO,

CHAPEL HILL, N.C., May 8, 1969.

Chairman, Science Subcommittee of Committee on Science and Astronautics, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.

DEAR MR. DADDARIO: I read with much interest the part of a lecture given by you at Washington University and which was published in the Congressional Record of 4 March 1969, pages E1581-1582.

Over the years I have had a chance to look at scientific research and research management from three different points of view, first as professor, later Head of Department of a large university, then as member and later Vice-Chairman of the Scientific Advisory Panel to the Secretary of the Army, and now as Director of the Division of Environmental Sciences of the Army Research Office-Durham. I am writing this as a private citizen.

I fully agree with you that "an overall science czar or a single super-bureau created to govern all Federal science endeavors" is not the answer to our problems. The problems are far to diverse to put them into the hands of one individual heading up a monolithic organization. Besides, there are far too many dangers in such a concentration of power. I also fully agree that organizational considerations should not be limited to what sometimes is referred to as "science with a capital S." The socio-economic effects—immediate or future of progress in "science" must be better studied and evaluated than they have thus far, and therefore the social sciences and aspects of the humanities should be part of any future organization. I also agree than any new organizational structure should be responsible at least to a certain degree. I would add that the structure should be as simple and elastic as feasible.

Insofar as the approaches mentioned by you are concerned, I do not believe that "science organization" should be considered exclusively from an administrative point of view. The nature of the various sciences-the term used here in the widest sense of the word-and their roles in relation to technological development and society differ far too much. There are the well-known differences between the physical sciences and the social sciences, but there are also, to give only one other example, the less well-known fundamental differences between mathematics, physics and chemistry on one hand, and the biological, terrestrial and atmospheric sciences on the other hand.

Identification of major problem areas in basic scientific research is very difficult and hazardous, as no brain or even collection of brains is big enough and can have a sufficiently penetrating view of the future to be able to make a faultless decision as to what exactly are the major problem areas to which basic research should be subordinated and what the priorities should be.

If a single organization-to-be should include not only basic research, but also applied research, development, technology in general, education and "cultural affairs", I am afraid it might get bogged down in a mish-mash of purposes and little beneficial result would ensue. Of course, all the fields enumerated are interconnected, and relationships between them should never be lost sight of, but for this a monolithic organization is not required.

The innovating role and the possible ameliorating role of basic scientific research in the wildest sense of the word (i.e. embracing the physical sciences, the social sciences and appropriate portions of the humanities) both flow largely from the professorial and graduate levels in our universities, from non-profit and other research organizations and from basic research in the Federal Govern

ment. In the universities the real education and training of future scientists take place at these levels. Therefore, these levels should be of primary concern.1 Other aspects besides basic research do, of course, need to be considered and included, but perhaps in a manner as discussed below.

Among the leading current possibilities mentioned by you No. 4 is the most interesting to me. However, a unitary council of this type would very likely suffer from the plethora and eventual mish-mash of purposes mentioned above. It seems to me that what the Russians, I believe, call a "troika" arrangement might be most practical.

Such a three-fold set-up could consist of:

(a) One group to deal with all aspects of basic research in the universities at professorial and graduate levels, with basic research in non-profit and other research organizations, with basic research in appropriate subdivisions of the U.S. Government, and with higher education at the graduate level.

(b) A second group to deal with applied research, early phases of development and with technology in general.

(c) A third group to deal with all undergraduate aspects of higher education and their relationships to the education and training of our future scientists in the widest meaning of the term.

Between (a) and (b) there should be a liaison officer with a minimum staff. There also should be a liaison officer with a minimum staff between (c) and (a) plus (b) on the one hand, and education at junior college and high school levels. In essence, education at these lower levels should remain the major concern of the Office of Education.

The top part of the organization could consist of the 3 chairmen of (a), (b), (c), with the 2 liaison officers as ex officio non-voting members. The functions of the "Council" could be primarily leading and correlative, but whatever functions and responsibilities it would have should be circumscribed clearly.

"Current possibility" (1) does not appeal to me at all, partly-as it would lead to the creation of a Department-for major reasons cited above. A more specific objection is that the managing of the 8 units enumerated would bring together some rather incompatible bedfellows.

The National Science Foundation is supposed to be of service in the support of research in a general way, although it still has an overriding bias toward science with a capital S.

Basic research in the others, and supported by the others, should serve more specific purposes, namely to underpin applied research and early stages of development proper to their own functions. One of the functions of a "Council" could be to see to it that basic research within each of these 7, and support by each of these 7, is kept within reasonable limits.

In the Army there is in-house research (Army laboratory research) and grant and contract research. The research carried on in the laboratories usually is more of an applied nature and may be connected directly with special developments, although some laboratories do also in-house basic research and/or support outside basic research. The Army Research Office has as a major function the support of outside basic research via grants or contracts. Basic research is necessary to feed into applied research, and in this manner such "supported outside research" is of immediate, near-future or farther-future aid to the Army laboratories. It is customary to ask Army laboratories for advice on the degree of relevance of basic research proposal to the work of each of the specific laboratories and/or to that of the Army as a whole. Proposals for basic research that show little or no relationship to the Army scope of interest are usually referred to other organizations, such as the more general National Science Foundation. Nevertheless, the proposals that are accepted, being in the field of basic research, may pay off in many ways, not only for the Army laboratories, but frequently in a far more important manner for strictly non-military purposes. I could give a number of illustrations right from my own "shop."

1 Our universities and 4-year colleges have developed into highly dualistic institutions. They now are to provide education and training for very large numbers of students who never will become full-fledged professional scientists (this word again used in its widest meaning), and many of whom do not survive the first 2 years during which requirements are mostly of a general nature. On the whole, only during the junior and senior years can the student make a beginning of study in a professional field, if he wishes to do so. The real education and training of future scientists lie in the M.A. and Ph. D. years or their equivalent.

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