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Mrs. THOMPSON. That is, of omitting the historical part and printing simply the Chapter work and the minutes of the Board, and regulating the cost accordingly.

Dr. McGEE. That is a detail; that would diminish the cost, of course, but it would not take away the necessity of our devoting money to the support of the Magazine. That is a matter which may well be considered, but I am speaking now along the broadest lines. We ought to look this matter squarely in the face because, in my opinion, the Magazine is a thing of the utmost in.portance to our Society; we must have a link between ourselves. This Society is so large it will fall to pieces unless we have some means of communication between the National Society and the Chapters all over the country. The question before you is, why is not this Magazine a success? It is because it is so evident that the subscription list is small that the Magazine Committee is anxious to know what the Daughters do want, and what changes they want in the Vagazine to make it acceptable to the whole membership.

Miss PIKE. I only want (interrupted)

CHAIRMAN. Won't you yield the floor to Mrs. Lockwood? she wants to make a statement.

Mrs. LOCKWDOD. There is a little misunderstanding in regard to the income and the subscriptions. I think you all heard the Business Manager when she said that the subscription list had increased about three hundred the last year; but many subscribers had been delinquent, but since she made out her report the shortcomings have been paid in very largely. Now, she did not cut off those names because she knew there was not one of the names on that list that wanted them cut off ; and since she made her yearly report they have been very largely paid, and very largely since you came to this Congress. Therefore if her report had been made out to-day, the deficit is not there that Dr. McGee speaks of. It did not cost more, and the income has not been less, it has been greater this year; the figures had not been made up to the present date, but you have paid very largely since you came to the Congress, and the ladies have been paying in the last two or three weeks since the list was made up. Correct is correct,

and if you make a statement like that it is rather misleading; and it is not according to the figures of to-day.

Dr. McGEE. I am very glad the lady called attention to that; what I meant was that we should have increased with every year. Two years ago we had perhaps half the membership we have now; we ought to have doubled the subscribers we have now, and we have not.

Miss Pike. We must all remember that these two years have been years of very hard times; many subscribers have fallen back in their subscriptions who would not have done so in other years. Now we know all of us that every one nearly has suffered from the strain of these last two years, and that is the reason that the subscriptions are not larger; if not the only reason, it is the principal reason.

Mrs. McCARTNEY. I am very sorry to hear such a statement made on the part of anybody.

Mrs. TORRANCE. I am unbusinesslike enough to be glad that we are not so popular in the matter of subscribers or I mean of advertising matter as some other magazine. I must confess that I take up with pride our Magazine as it lies on my table among other magazines that are burdened and disgraced often by a great mass of advertising matter. [Applause. And I consider that the AMERICAN MONTHLY MAGAZINE is one of the cleanest, prettiest, most aristocratic magizines I ever saw. [Applause.) I am glad, I say, that we are not. I am unbusinesslike enough to say that I am glad the Magazine is not popular in that direction, and I do not see how we can make a better investment of our money than to perpetuate the AMERICAN MONTHLY MAGAZINE. I know very well that there is scarcely an organization, church, State or any other, that has not to support largely its magazine and it would consider it a most unbusinesslike matter to drop its magazine because it did not support itself. You know in all church organizations the church has often to pay a large debt at the end of the year. And I tell you why our Magazine has not a larger circulation; it is no secret to me. It is the fault of the Daughters. We do not talk enough about it, and we do not advertise it enough ourselves among our Chapters. I know there are plenty of Chapters who do not take a Magazine at all; plenty of Chapter Regents who do not take the Magazine at all; and they are not intelligent workers, they never can be intelligent workers unless they do; and if every Chapter Regent who comes here to this Congress would go home to her Chapter determined to say to her members, “You cannot be intelligent Daughters of the American Revolution unless you take the organ of your Society and read it,” the matter would be solved. It it not Mrs. Lockwood's fault that that Magazine is not taken largely; it is not the fault of the Magazine Committee; it is the fault of State and Chapter Regents, and we ought to advertise it ourselves and it will be taken.

A MEMBER. I recommend that we reserve two pages of the Magazine for current topics.

Mrs. NASH. I think one matter has not been touched upon. Public money in a public trust. I am sure if any of us as individuals had invested our money in any way where we lost $4,000 annually, we would very soon change that investment. Now, have we any right to use the funds of the Daughters for any investment which is a dead loss of $4,000? Unlike Mrs. Torrance, I am a business woman, and I feel that if the Daughters want this Magazine, there are 27,000 of them, if they want this Magazine, will they support it? Then let us havea Magazine;but I do not feel that when the Chapters, when the delegates come here from the far west, from the east, and from the south, asking assistance from this National Society to preserve their historical spots, to erect monuments, to mark the graves of their revolutionary heroes, I do not feel that we can encourage this waste of money, $4,000 annually. [Applause.]

Mrs. Davol. I want just to speak a word for the Magazine and its improvements. We ought to have the Magazine, but it can be improved and the circulation can be larger. I think we want the Chapter work, but it has been suggested that the notices should be shorter than they are. We want the historical work, we want the Board work. I am afraid there are a large number of obituaries sent. Can we not have in that part of the Magazine a simple notice of the death? It is, of course, proper that we should have notices of the deaths, but

cannot it be the same as in our newspapers? Can we not use our Magazine some for open discussion, open letters, or discussion of matters of interest ? Now, in my own city our Magazine has been taken in our public library, so that people would be better acquainted with it. In our Chapter we have the back numbers and we send it to our Old Ladies' Home thinking it may interest those people. And it seems to me that if people would interest their public libraries and have them put it there, and if they would have Lineage Books in the library, there might be a larger circulation Can I mention the Lineage Book in this connection? They are in our public library, and I think they are useful there. I would say that two years ago the ladies, I think nearly every one or a great many, promised to get six more subscribers, or as many as they could, and I was told afterward that it was very much larger because so many interested their friends. I want the Magazine, but I want a better Magazine, that is going to be worthy of the Daughters of the American Revolution.

Mrs. CUMMINGS, of Vermont. I move the previous question. Seconded.

CHAIRMAN. The previous question is moved and seconded. Do you wish to close debate? All in favor please rise. Those opposed to closing debate will please rise. The previous question has been ordered. The chairman who made the report has the right to close debate after the previous question has been ordered. Miss Forsyth, you have the floor.

Miss FORSYTH. Madam Chairman, I will close debate very promptly, but at the same time I want to say, in regard to the suggestion that we have been wasting $4,000 in the carrying on of our Magazine, that it does not seem to the chairman to be the exact state of things. The letters that have come to me personally from all over the United States alluding to what has been read in the Magazine showed that although it is not a paying investment in one sense, not in dollars and cents, it is a paying investment in some higher way. Ladies, we can make it a paying investment in both ways if the Society chooses. That is all, Madam Chairman.

CHAIRMAN. Are you ready for the question? All in favor of adopting this last recommendation will signify it by saying "aye;" to appropriate $5,000 the Chair will state. Will the chairman read that recommendation?

Miss FORSYTH. That this Congress, in view of the importance of the effort to make our Magazine of greater interest and value, one that shall tell upon the future of our land, shall vote the sum of $5,000 for carrying it on during the coming year. This sum as will be noticed is not greatly in excess of the present net cost of publication, with the salaries of the Editor and Business Manager. What may remain after meeting such expenses should be used to advance the interests of the Magazine, at the discretion of a competent Magazine Committee.

Mrs. FOWLER. I rise to a question of information.

CHAIRMAN. State Your question of information, Mrs. Fowler.

Mrs. FOWLER. May I ask, does not the sense of the house as given this afternoon tell us what is the matter with the Magazine, and why can we not have the official minutes ? Every woman in the house will subscribe to it if we can have the official minutes.

CHAIRMAN. All in favor of this recommendation signify it by saying "aye;" opposed, "no;" the Chair is in doubt. All in favor will rise and remain standing while they are counted. The Chair wants you to be very sure that you are voting correctly. This is a very important matter. The recommendation is brought in by your committee. Remember, you placed it in the hands of a committee to act upon; they are working for your best interests; they come with this recommendation which you are to accept or reject. Now vote intelligently. All those in favor will please rise and remain standing while they are counting you. All opposed will please rise. The vote stands seventy-four in favor of appropriating $5,000 for the continuance of the Magazine, and seventy-one opposed to it. The "ayes” seem to have it, the "ayes” have it.

(Cries of "Recount.") A MEMBER. Madam President, may we not have a recount?

CHAIRMAN. Yes, if it is the wish of the house. Is it the wish of the house that there shall be a recount?

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