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Day of Thanksgiving.
[SEPTEMBER 28, 1789.
ther a member would be permitted to bring upon which it is founded: the proposition is it forward at this late hour. He night be told, new and in some degree upposed to what has that the act of the Senate carried greater heretofore prevailed: the public mind has not weight in it than the motion of a inember. yet been called to the consideration of it; nay, But he would place against that weight, the I believe it never yet has been contemplated by weight of the vote of this House, which on a the inhabitants of any one State: the eye of former day agreed to fix the seat of Govern-America should be indulged with an opportuniment on the banks of the Susquehanna; so that ty of viewing it before it be made their fixed the question may be supposed to stand on inde-abode. All the other places which have been pendent ground.
mentioned as candidates for the seat of Gov. But there was a collateral observation he ernment, on this occasion, have at different would make. If Germantown was the proper times, and in different forms, been held up to place for the permanent residence of Congress, the public attention; two of them had not only it was so pear Philadelphia as to prove that that employed the deliberation, but had obtained city would be the proper place for the tempora- the favorable decision of the old Congress; now ry residence, and of course they ought to move after all this, to take up and adopt, in a moment, there immediately, and order the next session a rival place, never before contemplated, is riskto be held there; but both these questions were ing an improper and a dissatisfactory decision. of too much inoment to be fixed by a hasty vote Mr. STONE reminded the House of the maof the House.
jority t'cre was in selecting the Susquehanna, Mr. Jackson had given his assent to the bill which he conceived to be the second best spot as it passed the House, after a fair opposition: in the United States; and how much greater he was satisfied his fellow-citizens would sub that majority would have been than 31 to 17, if mit to what appeared to be the voice of their no other question had been involved in the bill: country; though they would have preferred the he could hardly suppose such a change of senPotomac on account of its centrality and conti-timent would take place without argument, as guity to the Western Territory, yet he acceded was necessary in order to get the Senate's to the Susquehanna; but this was no reason he amendment adopted, which he understood, was should vote for Germantown. Who are those carried by a small majority indeed. that say to us, Germantown is the most proper Mr. White would just add one observaspot that can be selected? They are the repre- tion, which was respecting the enormous price sentatives of the State sovereignties; where the of land in the vicinity of Philadelphia; and large and small States are equally represented, how imprudent it would be for Congress tu subthe voice of ihe majority of the people is lost in ject themselves to an exorbitant demand of this the inequality of the political branch of the Le nature, by fixing upon the precise spot where gislature. He could not but think an alteration this Federal town should be. in the sentiment of the House, on this ground, The question was now taken on postponing would excite serious alarm in the minds of the the consideration of the amendmeni proposed people; to avoid which consequence, he should by the Senate, until the next session; and the agree to the postponement.
yeas and nays being called, are: Mr. Gerry urged, as a reason for postpone: YEAs—Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Brown, Burke, ment, that North Carolina and Rhode Island Carroll
, Coles, Contee, Gale, Gerry, Griffin, Jackwere out of the Union at present; and that, son, Lee, Madison, Matthews, Moore, Page, Paras there was a flattering expectation that at ker, Schurcman, Seney, Smith, (of Maryland,) least one of those States would adopt the con- Smith, (of South Carolina,) Stone, Sumter, Tucker, stitution by the next session, it would be ex and White.--25. tremely desirable to have their voice in deter- NAYS---Messrs. Ames, Benson, Boudinot, Cadmining this great question.
walader, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Floyd, Foster, Gilman, Mr. Madison.-However different our senti- Goodhue, Grout, Hartley, Hathorn, Heister, Lawments, with respect to the place most proper rence, Leonard, Livermore, Muhlenberg, Partridge, for the seat of the Federal Government, I pre-. Van Rensselaer, Scott, Sherman, Sylvester, Sinnicksume we shall all agree that a right decision is of son, Thatcher, Trumbull, Vining, Wadsworth, and great importance; and that a satisfactory deci Wynkoop.--29. sion is of equal moment to the happiness and So it was determined in the negative. tranquillity of the Union: that even the manner A message from the President of the United and circumstances under which such decision States was received, enclosing a letter from the inay take place, are worthy of serious consider-Governor of Rhode Island, written at the reation.
quest and in behalf of the General Assembly of Now, sir, the amendment proposed by the that State; which being read, was ordered to lie Senate, not only deserves the name of a new on the table. And then the House adjourned. bill, but it proceeds on principles different from those which served for the basis of the bill sent
MONDAY, September 28. up to them from this House: hence I presume,
DAY OF THANKSGIVING. sir, it is not only necessary to examine the merits of the proposition, but to enter into a full A message from the Senate informed the anil minuie investigation of those principles | House that they had agreed to the resolution
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Permanent Seat of Government.
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desiring the President of the United States to sylvania would be benefited by this selection, recommend a day of general thanksgiving: al- beyond her equal proportion; and that she so, to the resolution desiring him to transmit to ought, therefore, to contribute something for the the Executives of the several States of the advantage it procured her. Union, and also to the Executives of the States Mr. Smith thought the honorable gentleman of Rhode Island and North Carolina, copies of rather inconsistent in his argument to-day. If the amendinents agreed to by Congress to the he recollected right, the gentleman had formerly Constitution of the United States. They have urged in favor of the Susquehanna, that it was also come to a resolution appointing a commit. not accessible by vessels from sea; and now he tee to join with such committee as this House recommends this quality as an advantage in fashall appoint, to wait upon the President of the vor of the Delaware. The gentleman admits United States, and notify him of the proposed that this position is not quite so near the Westrecess of Congress.
ern Territory as the one chosen by the House; Whereupon, the House ordered that a com- but then he thinks no inconvenience will arise, mittee be appointed to join with the committee inasmuch as it will be some years before it is of the Senate, for the purpose expressed in the peopled: but how does this comport with the last resolution; and named Messrs. VINING, principle laid down by an almost unanimous LEE, and GILMAN, accordingly.
vote of the House? At the beginning of this busiThe House then proceeded to consider the ness, we declared that a due regard should be amendments proposed by the Senate to the bill had to the Western Territory; he now tells us, for the establishing the seat of Government of as an argument in favor of the Senate's amend the United States.
ment, that we should have no regard to it at all.
He thinks the change inade in the manner of obid 1 SEAT OF GOVERNMENT.
taining the money favorable; but what advantage Mrs.
SHERMAN.-In our deliberations on this will accrue to the United States from Pennsyloccasion, we should have an eye to the general vania's granting 100,000 dollars, when Congress accommodation of the Union, and the best way will have to purchase the land on which they are of defraying the expense. The place fixed to sit down? Land in the neighborhood of Philaupon by the Senate, he presumed, was known delphia, he had been told, was worth 40 or 50 to the members generally; hence they were pounds an acre. The 100,000 dollars, given by able to judge of its eligibility at the first view; Pennsylvania, would not go far in a purchase at it certainly possessed some advantages over the this rate. He thought the Government would other situation; and he believed it was as cen- have a better bargain in buying cheap lands on tral, if not more so than the Susquehanna, as it the Susquehanna; or perhaps they might have respected the present inhabitants; the air, the been got there for nothing. He thought this soil, in that neighborhood, were quite as agree alteration unfavorable to the Public Treasury, able as the other. But there was an access which could illy supply, such a demand upon it. by water, from every part of the United States, But he had an objection which would go which furnished a very great convenience; but against fixing in the neighborhood of any large beside this, those who came from the Southern city. The Federal town would, in such case, States, had generally an inland navigation, with be no more than a suburb. Could any one ex. a short distance to come by land from the head pect Germantown to rival Philadelphia? No, of the Elk; so the citizens of the Eastern States, it would be swallowed up by it. The public in like manner, would be accommodated by ministers, and all the officers of Government, coming through the Sound and crossing to Am- who could afford it, would reside in Philadel boy, on which route they would have but about phia; for they are generally found to prefer, a 70 miles land carriage; a distance nearly equal largé, handsome, well-built city to a small vil. with the other. He admitted that Germantownlage. Now, he would submit" whether it was was not quite so near to the Western Territory consistent with the dignity of the nation to place as the Susquehanna was; but he contemplated themselves in such a situation. Beside, the a very distant day before it would be settled, State of Pennsylvania had fixed boundaries, into and much longer before the inhabitants would which they would not admit Congress; should have frequent occasion of travelling to the seat the House, then, to show their deference and of Government. Added to the advantages he respect to her, go precisely to those boundaries, had mentioned, there were good buildings, and and say they are content? Why, if Germanconvenience for arsenals and ship-yards, with town is central, do we not say we will go to abundance of artificers on the spot; these con- Philadelphia? that city would undoubtedly afsiderations, taken together, induced him to think ford better accommodation, and could be but it best to concur with the Senate.
five miles short of the centre. No, we are not With respect to the change which the Senate to go there, because the State of Pennsylvania has proposed in the mode of obtaining the mo- has proscribed us; we must go to the very line ney requisite to defray the expense of raising the she has marked out for us, and accept her cespublic buildings, he thought it a prudent alter- sion upon her own terms. It would be more ation, considering the present situation of the consistent with the dignity of Congress to select Treasury: the Senate, no doubt, considered this the place, and wait where we are well accomcircumstance, as well as that the State of Penn-modated, till the State shall consent to give it.
[SEPTEMBER 28, 1789. He hoped the large majority which had agreed YEAs--Messrs. Ames, Cadwalader, Clymer, Fitzto the Susquehanna would continue firm, and simons, Floyd, Foster, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, not suffer a dereliction of the object they had so Grout, Hartley, Hathorn, Heister, Huntington, Lawably supported.
rence, Leonard, Livermore, Muhlenberg, Partridge, Mr. SHERMAN begged leave to answer a few Van Rensselaer, Schureman, Scott, Sherman, Sylwords of the gentleman. He was charged with vester, Sinnickson, Thatcher, Trumbull, Vining, inconsistency, because he had said the Susque
Wadsworth, and Wynkoop-31. banna was safe from vessels of war; but this was
Nars--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Brown, not an objection, in his mind, to any place; he Burke, Carroll, Coles, Contee, Gale, Griffin, Jackonly mentioned it to obviate the objection in Seney, Smith, (of Maryland, ) Smith, (of South Caro
son, Lee, Madison, Matthews, Moore, Page, Parker, the minds of those who entertained it: for his lina,) 'Stone, Sumter, Tucker, and White—24. part, he did not fear the effects of an invasion, because he believed and trusted that many
Mr. WHITE reported that the coinmittee of years would pass away before the United States the House had conferred with the committee were inyolved again in war. The gentleman of the Senate, on the subject of writs issuing in might also remember that the Eastern members the name of the President; but had come to no always thought the Susquehanna south and agreement. westward of the true centre, but were content
A message from the Senate was then receivto go that far for the sake of accommodation; ed, with the Process bill, to which an amendbut now that the Senate had agreed with them in inent was proposed by the Senate. The House that opinion, he thought it but reasonable to then proceeded to consider the said amendment; meet them, and adopt their proposition.
and a motion being made to recede from their Mr. White had not been present when the amendment, so far as to agree to the amendquestion was discussed in this House; but he ments of the said amendment proposed by the observed, from the minutes, and other publica- Senate, the yeas and nays being required, * tions, that the great contest lay between the were:
Susquehanna and the Potomac: he understood Yxas--Messrs. Ames, Baldwin, Benson, Cadwalathat the interest of the whole was consulted in der, Carroll, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Foster, Gale, Gilthe choice the House had made: he was so far man, Goodhue, Hartley, Lawrence, Lee, Leonard, inclined to pay a deference to the opinion of Livermore, Partridge, Schureman, Scott, Sherman, this House, as to acquiesce in their decisions, Sylvester, Sinnickson, Smith, (of Maryland,) Thatchalthough nis own sentiments were in favor of the er, Trumbull, and Wadsworth--25. more southern andwestern position: but he could
Nays--Messrs. Bland, Boudinot, Brown, Burke, never think that great national principles would Coles, Contee, Floyd, Gerry, Griffin, Grout, Heisinduce them to stop short of the place which they Page, Seney, Smith, (of South Carolina,) Stone,
ter, Jackson, Madison, Moore, Muhlenberg, Parker, had approved. Mr. Madison contended that the amendment
Sumter, Tucker, and White-25. proposed by the Senate was a departure from
The votes being equal, it lay with the Speak. every principle adopted by the House; but he er to decide, which he did in the affirmative. would not trouble them with a recapitulation A message was received from the Senate, of arguments, which he feared would be una- with the Invalids, and the Appropriation bills, vailing; he wished, however, that the House to which sundry amendments were proposed: would provide against one inconvenience, which the House iminediately considered and agreed was, to prevent the district in Pennsylvania, to the same. chosen by Congress, from being deprived for a A message from the Senate was received, time of the benefit of the laws. "This, he appre- with the bill to explain and amend the act for hended, would be the case, unless Congress registering and clearing vessels, with amendmade provision for the operation of the laws of ments; these amendments were agreed to by Pennsylvania, in the act by which they accept the House. ed of the cession of that Siate; for the State i'e- A further message was received, informing linquished the right of legislation from the mo- that the Senate had postponed the considerament that Congress accepted of the district. tion of the amendment of the House to the act The propriety of this proposition was so appa for establishing the seat of Government of the rent, that he had not a doubt but the House United States. Adjourned until this evening, would consent to it. He then moved the follow
EODEM DIE ing proviso: "And provided, that nothing here
A message was received from the Senate, inin contained shall be construed to affect the forming the House that they had passed the operation of the laws of Pennsylvania, within act to recognise and adapt to the constitution the district ceded and accepted, until Congress of the United States, the establishment of the shall otherwise provide by law.”
troops raised under resolves of the old ConMr. LIVERMORE objected to this motion; be- gress, with amendments; which amendments cause he supposed there was no necessity for it. were agreed to by the House; but when the last
The question was then taken, do the House one was under consideration for striking out gree to the amendment? and decided in the all that respected the number of the militia to allirmative. The yeas and nays being demand be called into service for the desence of the ell, are as follows:
frontiers, from the States of Pennsylvania, Vir
SEPTEMBER 29, 1789.]
Message from the President.
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ginia, and Georgia, and to insert a clause in
UNITED STATES, Sept. 29, 1789. stead thereof, empowering the President to call Gentlemen of the House of Representatives: out the militia generally, for the purpose of Having yesterday been informed, by a joint comprotecting the frontiers against the hostile in-mittee of both Houses of Congress, that they had vasion of the Indians, it was moved that the agreed to a recess, to commence this day, and to House disagree to the amendment of the Sen- continue until the first Monday in January next, I ate; and the yeas and nays being required, are: take the earliest opportunity of acquainting you that, YEAs--Messrs. Benson, Carroll
, Clymer, Foster, considering how long and laborious this session has Gilman, Lawrence, Lee, Madison, Partridge, Sher-been, and the reasons which, I presume, have proman, Sylvester, Smith, (of Maryland) Stone, Thatch-duced this resolution, it does not appear to me expeer, Trumbull, and Wadsworth-16.
dient to recommend any measures to their considerNars-Messrs. Ames, Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, ation at present. Burke, Cadwalader, Coles, Contee, Fitzsimons,
GEO. WASHINGTON. Floyd, Gerry, Heister,Jackson, Leonard, Livermore, On motion of Mr. GERRY, it was ordered, Matthews, Moore, Muhlenberg, Van Rensselaer, that it shall be the duty of the Secretary of the Schureman, Scott, Seney, Sinnickson, Sumter, Tuck. Senate and Clerk of the House, at the end of er, and White--25.
each session, to send a printed copy of the JourA number of engrossed bills, and the proposed nals thereof, respectively, to the Supreine Exeamendments to the Constitution, were brought cutive, and each branch of the Legislature, of in, passed, and signed: after which the House
every State. adjourned.
A message was received from the Senate,
with the resolution respecting JOHN WHITE; the TUESDAY, September 29.
bill for the establishment of troops; also a bill The two following messages were received of a captain, to which they requested the con
for allowing the Baron de GLAUBEOK the pay from the President:
currence of the House; this bill was thereupon UNITED STATES, Sept. 29, 1789. read a first and second time, engrossed, and Gentlemen of the House of Representatives:
read a third time, enrolled and signed, and His Most Christian Majesty, by a letter dated the transmitted to the Senate. 7th of June last, addressed to the President and
And then it was ordered that a message be sent members of the General Congress of the United to the Senate, to inform them that this House States of North America, announces the much la- having completed the business before them, are mented death of his son the Dauphin. The gene
now about to proceed to close the present sesrous conduct of the French monarch and nation to- sion, by an adjournment on their part, agreeawards this country renders every event that may bly to the order of the 26th instant; and that affect his or their prosperity interesting to us; and the Clerk of this House do go with the said shall take care to assure bim of the sensibility with message. which the United States participate in the affliction The Clerk accordingly went with the said which a loss so much to be regretted must have oc- message, and being returned, casioned both to him and them.
The Speaker adjourned the House until the GEO. WASHINGTON. first Monday in January next.