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according to their sincere intention to ensure and improve the harmony and good understanding, which so happily subsist at present between their said Majesties.

In this view, his Britannic Majesty engages to give the most positive orders for the evacuation of the countries abovementioned, by all his subjects of whatever denomination: but if, contrary to such declaration, there should still remain any persons so daring, as to presume, by retiring into the interior country, to endeavour to obstruct the entire evacuation already agreed upon, his Britannic Majesty, so far from affording them the least succour, or even protection, will disavow them in the most solemn manner, as he will equally do those who may hereafter attempt to settle upon the territory belonging to the Spanish dominion.

Art. 12. The evacuation agreed upon shall be completely effected within the space of six months after the exchange of the ratifications of this Convention, or sooner, if it can be done.

Art. 13. It is agreed that the new grants described in the preceding Articles, in favour of the English nation, are to take place as soon as the aforesaid evacuation shall be entirely accomplished.

Art. 14. His Catholic Majesty, prompted solely by motives of humanity, promises to the King of England, that he will not exercise any act of severity against the Mosquitos, inhabiting in part the countries which are to be evacuated, by virtue of the present Convention, on account of the connexions which may have subsisted between the said Indians and the English and his Britannic Majesty, on his part, will strictly prohibit all his subjects from furnishing arms, or war-like stores, to the Indians in general, situated upon the frontiers of the Spanish posses

sions.

Art. 15. The two courts shall mutually transmit to each other duplicates of the orders, which they are to dispatch to their respective governors and commanders in America, for the accomplishment of the present Convention; and a frigate, or proper ship of war, shall be appointed, on each side, to observe in conjunction that all things are performed in the best order possible, and with that cordiality and good faith of which the two sovereigns have been pleased to set the example.

Art. 16. The present Convention shall be ratified by their Britannic and Catholic

Majesties, and the ratifications exchanged, within the space of six weeks, or sooner, if it can be done.

In witness whereof, we the undersigned ministers plenipotentiary of their Britannic and Catholic Majesties, in virtue of our respective full powers, have signed the present Convention, and have affixed thereto the seals of our arms.-Done at London, this 14th day of July, 1786.

CARMARTHEN (L. S.)

Le Chev. del CAMPO (L. S.)

At the time of exchanging our sovereigns ratifications of the Convention signed the 14th of July last, we the undersigned ministers plenipotentiary have agreed, that the visit of the English and Spanish commissaries, mentioned in the 4th Article of the said Convention, with respect to the island of Cayo Casina, is to extend in like manner to all the other places, whether in the islands, or on the continent, where the English cutters shall be situated. In witness whereof, we have signed this declaration, and affixed thereto the seals of our arms.-London, this 1st of September, 1786.

CARMARTHEN, (L. S.)

Le Marquis del CAMPO, (L. S.)

Debate in the Commons on the State of the Trade with Portugal.] Jan. 29. Mr. Minchin rose, and having observed that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, upon a former occasion, signified to the House his determination of naming as early a day as possible for the consideration of the treaty of navigation and commerce concluded with France, added, that as he conceived that treaty to be only one part of a commercial system adopted by government for the benefit of this country, and that our trade with Portugal was also a neces sary and material part of that system, be wished to know what the state of our tråde with that country had been for the last ten years, before he was called upon to give a vote upon the treaty with France. He then moved, "That an account of the quantity of woollen goods exported from the port of London to Portugal, between the 1st Jan. 1777, and the 1st Jan. 1787, be laid before the House."

Mr. Pitt hoped the House would do him the justice to believe, that he did not entertain the most distant intention of objecting either to the present motion, or to any other which might be thought likely to afford information, but he greatly feared

that the object would be by no means | His objection to the motion, Mr. Fox said, satisfactorily answered, were the motion was, that it really could not produce the carried, Before the House came to the information wished for. Custom-house consideration of the commercial treaty returns to the orders of that House, to with France, it would be absolutely ne- say the truth, produced, for the most part, cessary for a great deal more information a sort of information scarcely good for with respect to the trade with Portugal to any thing; but even were it likely for be laid before them, than the present mo- those returns, in the present case, to be tion was likely to reach. It was, indeed, made up with unusual exactness, it was his intention to lay all the information impossible that the information they afupon the subject which his Majesty's mi- forded, could throw any material light nisters could obtain, before the House. upon the extent of the trade of this counGentlemen were not unapprized that a try with Portugal, because the returns of treaty was at this moment in negociation the Custom-house of the port of London with the court of Portugal, and that it was could not, in his mind, comprehend one daily expected that the person who was half, nor one third, nor scarcely a fourth well known to have been some time absent of the whole of the trade between Great from London upon that business, would Britain and Portugal. With regard to either return or send home such intelli- what the right hon. gentleman had said in gence as would enable his Majesty's ser- the latter part of his speech, as to its bevants to do their duty in this respect. In ing proper for that House, in case of the order the more fully to ascertain the true failure of the arrival of the information state of the trade of this country with Por- expected by his Majesty's ministers from tugal, the gentleman sent to negociate the Portugal, to proceed to a resolution of pending treaty, was instructed to exert approbation of the commercial treaty with his utmost endeavours to get at that ob- France, there he must differ with the right ject, and the better to attain the end de- hon. gentleman altogether. He meant sired in this respect, the factory in Por- not at that time to forestall a future detugal had been written to, and called upon bate, or to enter prematurely into the to furnish all the information they could discussion of subjects which had better give upon the subject. Thus all the pos- be reserved for a fitter time; but he could sible lights would be given that the nature not too early declare, that before he could of the case would admit of. If it should make up his mind upon the French treaty, so happen, that the expected accounts which in effect implied, or rather amounted should not arrive in time, it was to be re- to a breach of the treaty with Portugal, marked, that this country had it in her commonly called the Methuen Treaty, he power to continue to Portugal the ad- must know how the trade between this vantages in point of trade, that she had kingdom and Portugal stood. That a till this time enjoyed, even after Parlia- treaty was pending with Portugal was ment should have come to a resolution, well known, and report said, that it was approving of the commercial treaty with near being brought to a conclusion, but France. terminated it must be one way or another, before they decided upon the treaty with France. France. Would any man pretend that the two considerations were not involved in each other, and that the two treaties which subsisted between this country and France, and between this country and Portugal, did not bear a relation to each other? Would not the right hon. gentleman himself think it a reproach were it to be imputed to him, that he had concluded a commercial treaty with France, without attention to our trade with Portugal ? That being the case then, and it being undeniable that the treaty with France and the treaty with Portugal bore a relation to each other, it was absurd for any man to contend that the House could decide upon the one without knowing all

Mr. Fox said, the former part of the right hon. gentleman's speech so perfectly coincided with his ideas, that he was sorry to find, if he had understood him correctly in the latter part of what he had said, that there should be any occasion for him to differ in opinion with him. In the former part of the right hon. gentleman's speech he had conceived him to admit, that before the House would be competent to come to any vote of approbation of the commercial treaty with France, it would be absolutely necessary for them to have before them all the information possible, relative to the present state of our trade with Portugal, and with that view he had understood the right hon. gentleman to bave wished the motion not to be pressed.

the bearings and tendencies of the other.

Mr. Pitt said, that although not in the least more inclined than the right hon. gentleman, to make the commercial treaty a point of immediate discussion, yet if there were any leading points as to the propriety of the day on which they ought to enter into the investigation of it, the nature and extent of the information they ought to have before them, previous to their discussion of it, or any particulars likely to affect the turn of the debate, he should think it for the general accommo. dation of the House to have those points decided on a day prior to the day of the main debate; and, therefore, if any gentleman had any doubt upon his mind of the description to which he had alluded, he should be glad to know it, that when he submitted to the House the day on which he should wish the treaty to be taken into consideration, a day might at the same time be fixed for the discussion and decision of such doubts. As in a commercial treaty there were necessarily various articles of detail, which required to be ultimately settled by a convention negociated subsequent to the treaty, such a convention had been concluded; but as the ratifications of it had not arrived, he waited merely for their arrival, before he proposed a day for taking the treaty into consideration. The right hon. gentleman had laid down one position with much greater appearance of heat and passion than had been necessary, as it was a position, that it would be difficult to find a man on either side of the House willing to deny; viz. that it was the duty of his Majesty's government, when they negociated a treaty of commerce with France, not to have been inattentive to the consideration of the state of our existing treaty and future trade with Portugal. This was not only true in itself, but it was actually unnecessary for him to say any thing to prove that his Majesty's ministers had been duly attentive to the treaty subsisting with Portugal, and the future trade with that kingdom, when they negociated the commercial treaty with France, because that very treaty upon the face of it bore incontrovertible evidence of their having done so, as it contained an express reserve in favour of Portugal, enabling this country, whenever Portugal shewed herself by her conduct entitled to a continuance of the advantages she enjoyed at our hands by virtue of the Methuen treaty, to secure

a continuance of those advantages to that kingdom. The right hon. gentleman had been a little incorrect in his expression, when he had said, that a resolution of the House to carry the commercial treaty with France into execution, would be a breach of the Methuen treaty with Portugal. A breach of that treaty, the carrying the commercial treaty with France into execution, would not amount to, but it would rather put an end to the Methuen treaty; because by that treaty, Portugal stipulated to grant certain advantages to this country so long as this country gave her wines a preference by admitting them under duties specifically lower than those paid by the wines of other countries. Though it were to be wished that Mr. Fawkener might return from Portugal, and bring with him the expected agreement of that Court to the treaty in negociation, or an account that the negociation was terminated one way or another, prior to the day of discussion of the French treaty, yet the House might fairly come to a resolution of approbation of the treaty with France, as that treaty contained a clause of reserve, enable Great Britain to continue to Portugal the advantages she derived from the Methuen treaty, at any subsequent period.

Mr. Fox admitted, that a resolution to approve and carry into execution the commercial treaty with France, would rather be a putting an end to the Methuen treaty than a breach of it, but he denied that the two treaties were separate considerations. He urged, that even under that view of the case, and supposing either that Mr. Fawkener had not returned, or that the treaty negociating with Portugal was terminated one way or the other, then the minister ought to make known to that House what his future intentions were with respect to Portugal, before he called upon the House to give their approbation of the treaty with France. He observed, that the moment the commercial treaty had received their sanction, that House was bound in honour and sincerity to proceed to carry it into execution, and as it was an undoubted fact, that an abundant number of speculations were depending and waiting for the execution of the treaty, if the House came to a resolution of ap probation, it was their indispensable duty to enact laws for carrying it into execution as soon as possible after the resolu tion was passed, in order that the various speculations might be realized, and the

country set at rest respecting it. He held it to be so absolutely necessary, that the House should have before them information of the present state of the trade behtween this country and Portugal, and of the state in which it would be put after the French treaty was carried into effect, e previous to the discussion of that treaty, that he should think it his duty to take 1 the sense of the House on that point previous to the investigation of the general i, and main question on the treaty itself.

Mr. Pitt expressed his astonishment, that the right hon. gentleman should with such uncommon ardour urge the necessity of speedily carrying the treaty into execution, in order to realize the speculations grounded upon it, and yet wish to delay the coming to a resolution respecting it, which was an unavoidable preliminary proceeding. After a resolution of approbation (if such should pass) the forms of the House rendered it impossible to pass any bills in consequence into laws, without their being obliged to go through various stages, which would indispensably take up several days, and occasion much delay. Though Mr. Fawkener might not therefore return or send any intelligence by the time that the resolution might pass, yet, before the Bill relative to wines, which might be grounded upon it, should pass the committee, information might arrive, and then it would be time enough to make the provision in favour of Portugal, should Portugal think proper to entitle herself to , favour. But whether any information arrived from Portugal or not, still he held the part of the treaty, respecting French wines, to be a wise measure. prepared to declare in either event, that whether the advantages of the Methuen treaty were continued to Portugal or not, it was wise to agree with France as the commercial treaty stipulated.

He was

Mr. Burke applauded the candour of the minister, and admitted that he had acted throughout with perfect consistency, but declared, that where a system was bad, in that case consistency was bad also. What struck him as extraordinary was, that the first time any complaints of the non-compliance of Portugal with the terms of the Methuen treaty were breathed in that House, was, when a commercial treaty had been concluded with France. Then and then only did such a matter burst upon them. He was aware that the merchants had complained so long ago as the year 1758, but as a member of parliament he

had heard of no complaint till he had heard of the commercial treaty with France. This was a new era, and before the kingdom of Portugal, which the Methuen treaty tied and bound, as it were, to this country, was let loose, and all our connexions with that kingdom, and the benefits which resulted in consequence, for so many years, were abandoned by Great Britain, it behoved that House to act cautiously, to have complete information before them, and to know the full extent of the sacrifice that the right hon. gentleman wished them to make to France, as the price of the advantages expected to result from carrying the commercial treaty into complete execution.

Mr. W. W. Grenville said, that although the right hon. gentleman had begun with charging his right hon. friend with inconsistency, yet he had not been able to substantiate the accusation in any other way than by a bare-faced and palpable misrepresentation of his whole speech. For instance, he had endeavoured to give a turn to his right hon. friend's argument, as if he had stated that he looked upon the French treaty as a sacrifice of the present subsisting treaties with Portugal, and vindicated it upon that ground; whereas, in fact, no such sentiment had dropped from him. He had only observed, that the French treaty would in no degree preclude Great Britain from adhering to the spirit of the Methuen treaty, should the court of Portugal shew a disposition to entitle herself to a continuation of the benefits resulting from that treaty, but also, that whether Portugal should or should not come to a proper settlement with this country on the matters at present in dispute between them; in either case the French treaty was a most wise and beneficial object. Extraordinary, indeed, was the assertion of the right hon. gentleman, (Mr. Burke) that he never had, until that day, been apprised of any defection on the part of Portugal, from the provisions and spirit of the Methuen treaty. It was impossible for any gentleman, who had paid so much attention to the commercial concerns of this country, to be ignorant of a circumstance so universally known, as that repeated complaints had been made of the ineffectual manner in which that treaty had been carried into execution on the part of Portugal, so far back as the year 1767, from which period that country had been gradually departing from it more and more.

But if, indeed, the right hon. gentleman | a future day move for other papers con was so unaccountably ignorant of so plain taining farther information. a fact, there was a right hon. gentleman, at no considerably distance from him, who, at least in the knowledge of commercial concerns, could look down upon him with all the consciousness of high pre-eminence. Mr. Fox retorted on Mr. Grenville the charge of misrepresentation made by that gentleman against Mr. Burke. His right hon. friend had not generally said that he knew of no complaints against the court of Portugal, for her infractions of the Methuen treaty, but only declared, that in his parliamentary capacity, as a member of that House, he had never been made acquainted with any such complaints-no such having ever been stated in that House. If any charge of neglect should be made against him for having omitted to bring a business of such consequence before Parliament during the very short time he had been in office, Mr. Fox remarked, it would be at least some kind of excuse for him that the present administration had been guilty of a similar neglect for a much longer period.

Mr. Francis declared, that Mr. Burke had barely confined himself to the walls of that House, when he said he was unacquainted with any complaints against the court of Portugal. He added, that nothing could be more absurd than the observation which fell from Mr. Pitt, that the same argument which proved the necessity of following up a resolution with speedy execution, also went to establish the necessity of coming to a speedy resolution. No such conclusion could possibly be drawn, but rather the reverse; for the very nature of execution required speed and activity, that of resolution, deliberation, and foresight, and the necessity of a speedy exe. cution rendered it necessary also to deliberate well before a resolution was formed.

Mr. Pelham contended, that it was not strictly proper to limit the question merely to the wine trade with Portugal, for in fact the whole system of our commerce with that country, nay, even the general policy which this country had always pursued with respect to its intercourse with her, would be materially affected by any alteration in the principles and spirit of the Methuen treaty. It would therefore be highly necessary for the House to be fully informed of the true state of that commerce before they proceeded to a subject in which it was so materially involved as in the treaty with France, and he should at

Mr. Burke observed, that the right hon. gentleman who had thought proper to reprehend him, was so prone to assume a censorial office within those walls that undoubtedly he thought himself peculiarly qualified to act censorially. By superior abilities he was ready to admit him to be qualified; but reprehension was something more than a mere reply, or animadversion upon another's argument; great abilities alone, therefore, were not the only requisites to qualify any man to assume the office of a censor; whoever took upon him to act censorially, ought to take care that his reprehension was governed by a nice and exact regard to justice. The right hon. gentleman had reprehended him for mis-stating a fact; but it so happened, that the reprehension was illfounded; for he had expressly declared that he had heard of the complaints of the merchants against Portugal so early as the year 1758; but he appealed to the Chair whether it was not sufficient for him to have said within those walls, that he had never heard of them, and whether, parliamentarily considered, that was not speaking correctly.

Mr. Minchin said, that under the expectation that more information would be laid before the House than his motion appeared likely to produce, he would, with their leave, withdraw it.

The motion was accordingly withdrawn.

Convention with France.] Feb. 1. Mr. Pitt presented by his Majesty's command, a copy of the Convention with France; and translation, as follows: TRANSLATION of the Convention between his Majesty and the Most Christian King. Signed at Versailles, the 15th January, 1787.

The King of Great Britain, and the Most Christian King, being willing, in conformity to the 6th and 43rd Articles of the Treaty of Navigation and Commerce signed at Versailles, the 26th of September, 1786, to explain and settle certain points which had been reserved, their Britannic and Most Christian Majesties, always disposed more particularly to confirm the good understanding in which they are happily united, have named, for that purpose, their respective plenipotentiaries, to wit, on the part of his Britannic Majesty, William Eden, esq. Privy Councillor

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