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God's Chinese Son by Jonathan D. Spence
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God's Chinese Son (edition 1996)

by Jonathan D. Spence

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Hong Xiuquan was a failed candidate for the provincial civil service examinations in Guangdong, who in 1837 had a religious vision of going to Heaven, where he met his Heavenly Father and Heavenly Elder Brother, and was sent back to Earth to fight the demon devils plaguing mankind. With the help of the texts of Christian missionaries, he eventually interpreted this to mean that he was the literal son of God and younger brother of Jesus. As Hong and his growing band of followers were harassed by local authorities who thought Christianity of any kind a threat to the social order, he came to identify the demon devils with China's Manchu rulers, the Qing dynasty.

Breaking into open rebellion in the early 1850s, Hong's followers, known as the Taiping ("Great Peace") went on to conquer a vast swath of east-central China around the Yangzi river and its tributaries, and was only put down by the Qing forces in 1864, by which time perhaps 20 million people had died in the fighting and accompanying starvation and epidemics. While ultimately victorious, the Qing were permanently weakened because to defeat the Taiping they had to accept and encourage the formation of regional armies outside the direct control of the central government, which would remain a feature of Chinese politics until the Communist takeover almost a century later.

The role of the Western Powers in all this was ambiguous, with Great Britain and France going to war with the Qing in 1858-60, indirectly helping the Taiping, but in 1863-64 they helped the Qing to finally quell the rebellion. Some have argued that they picked the wrong side here, and that instead helping the Taiping vanquish the decadent and xenophobic Qing would have left China with a native, modernizing, and pro-Western regime. Spence's account makes this seem naive: A messianic movement with universal aspirations, the Taiping were even less inclined than the Qing to accept foreign powers as equals, and Christianity would have served at least as much to sunder as to unify because Western Christians would never have accepted Hong's claim to be God's literal son, which of course was central to Taiping theology. As for modernization, Hong made some noises in favour of Western-style reforms, but nothing came of it and theocratic regimes have rarely if ever been successful modernizers.

Consonant with the title, Spence puts much focus on Hong himself. Early on he was an active military and administrative leader; with time he withdrew increasingly to his palace, spending his time revising(!) and commenting the Bible, while leaving day-to-day management to his generals and ministers. He died in 1864, just weeks before the fall of Nanjing, his capital, to the Qing forces, possibly from eating weeds that he believed to be manna sent from Heaven to relieve the famished city.

The book is an excellent read, with full scholarly apparatus but not at all dry. The viewpoint is either that of the Taiping themselves or that of Western traders, missionaries, or soldiers, almost never that of the Qing, or of locals caught up in the struggle without strong commitment to either side. Almost no attention is paid to lesser (but in themselves still formidable) revolts that rocked China in the 1850s and '60s.
1 vote AndreasJ | Dec 14, 2016 |
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Good book. I found it very interesting to read about someone who considered themself the brother of Jesus yet acted like the total opposite. ( )
  CMDoherty | Oct 3, 2023 |
So, yes, the writing was (for the most part) pretty dry and not that engaging. But I thought the topic was fascinating. My favorite part: reading how Hong Xiuquan rewrote Genesis to make it more to his liking. Noah wasn't drunk, he was just really tired! ( )
  GaylaBassham | May 27, 2018 |
Hong Xiuquan was a failed candidate for the provincial civil service examinations in Guangdong, who in 1837 had a religious vision of going to Heaven, where he met his Heavenly Father and Heavenly Elder Brother, and was sent back to Earth to fight the demon devils plaguing mankind. With the help of the texts of Christian missionaries, he eventually interpreted this to mean that he was the literal son of God and younger brother of Jesus. As Hong and his growing band of followers were harassed by local authorities who thought Christianity of any kind a threat to the social order, he came to identify the demon devils with China's Manchu rulers, the Qing dynasty.

Breaking into open rebellion in the early 1850s, Hong's followers, known as the Taiping ("Great Peace") went on to conquer a vast swath of east-central China around the Yangzi river and its tributaries, and was only put down by the Qing forces in 1864, by which time perhaps 20 million people had died in the fighting and accompanying starvation and epidemics. While ultimately victorious, the Qing were permanently weakened because to defeat the Taiping they had to accept and encourage the formation of regional armies outside the direct control of the central government, which would remain a feature of Chinese politics until the Communist takeover almost a century later.

The role of the Western Powers in all this was ambiguous, with Great Britain and France going to war with the Qing in 1858-60, indirectly helping the Taiping, but in 1863-64 they helped the Qing to finally quell the rebellion. Some have argued that they picked the wrong side here, and that instead helping the Taiping vanquish the decadent and xenophobic Qing would have left China with a native, modernizing, and pro-Western regime. Spence's account makes this seem naive: A messianic movement with universal aspirations, the Taiping were even less inclined than the Qing to accept foreign powers as equals, and Christianity would have served at least as much to sunder as to unify because Western Christians would never have accepted Hong's claim to be God's literal son, which of course was central to Taiping theology. As for modernization, Hong made some noises in favour of Western-style reforms, but nothing came of it and theocratic regimes have rarely if ever been successful modernizers.

Consonant with the title, Spence puts much focus on Hong himself. Early on he was an active military and administrative leader; with time he withdrew increasingly to his palace, spending his time revising(!) and commenting the Bible, while leaving day-to-day management to his generals and ministers. He died in 1864, just weeks before the fall of Nanjing, his capital, to the Qing forces, possibly from eating weeds that he believed to be manna sent from Heaven to relieve the famished city.

The book is an excellent read, with full scholarly apparatus but not at all dry. The viewpoint is either that of the Taiping themselves or that of Western traders, missionaries, or soldiers, almost never that of the Qing, or of locals caught up in the struggle without strong commitment to either side. Almost no attention is paid to lesser (but in themselves still formidable) revolts that rocked China in the 1850s and '60s.
1 vote AndreasJ | Dec 14, 2016 |
So, yes, the writing was (for the most part) pretty dry and not that engaging. But I thought the topic was fascinating. My favorite part: reading how Hong Xiuquan rewrote Genesis to make it more to his liking. Noah wasn't drunk, he was just really tired! ( )
  gayla.bassham | Nov 7, 2016 |
An engaging, immediate book about a very unusual period. Hong Xiuquan's career was a strange and fascinating one; victory was within his grasp for a very long time, and a Taiping China is one of the most interesting what-ifs of history.

And to think that the self-proclaimed younger brother of Jesus Christ, with his quasi-Maoist army and demon-slaying sword, flourished in the same period as Abraham Lincoln! The US really needs to do something about its blandness issue. :) ( )
  ex_ottoyuhr | Jan 23, 2014 |
I had a hard time getting into this book. Story of the worlds largest uprising - headed by a man that thought he was Jesus' younger brother. Sad tale full of death and destruction. ( )
  autumnesf | May 22, 2012 |
The Taiping Rebellion against the Qing Dynasty is one of the most amazing and strangest episodes of history - something you would expect to find in a movie script but not in real life. The leader, who studied under missionaries in China, came to believe himself to be Jesus Christ's younger brother. In the course of a few years, the Taipings ruled a pretty large part of China, particularly around Nanjing, before succumbing to the same sort of corruption already manifest in the Qing Dynasty itself, which would fall less than 60 years later. As always, Spence tells the story very well, although very few traces of the Taipings were left after their defeat and the ensuing massacre, which makes his narrative chore a bit harder. ( )
1 vote datrappert | Oct 21, 2009 |
Well, what can i say. It was badly written and wasn't very well focused. ( )
  clydethehero | Mar 24, 2009 |
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